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| 00:49:46 | <tommorris> | http://leahculver.com/2008/02/01/python-foaf-generator/ |
| 00:49:48 | <tommorris> | A:|Python FOAF Generator (leahculver.com) - updated |
| 00:50:15 | <tommorris> | A: A while back I e-mailed Leah Culver about the FOAF that Pownce exports, asking her to update it so that it uses urirefs for the rdfs:seeAlso |
| 00:50:55 | <tommorris> | A: She's applied the patch to the downloadable version on her blog, and said in the e-mail that the new version will be on the site in a few days. |
| 00:51:09 | <tommorris> | A: A bit more linked data to add to the cloud! ;) |
| 00:56:21 | <DanC_lap> | ACTION reads up on pownce, wondering how much longer he can avoid joining... |
| 01:17:13 | <tommorris> | DanC_lap: It's like Twitter but more for designery types |
| 01:17:31 | <tommorris> | Does lots of nice microformats though. |
| 01:33:50 | <CaptSolo> | hi all |
| 01:36:53 | <CaptSolo> | is there an IRC backchannel for WWW'08 / Linked Data workshop (LDOW'08)? |
| 01:37:37 | <CaptSolo> | can't be we are loosing the spirit of IRC scribing / feedback |
| 01:39:00 | <timbl_> | I would like soemone to scribe it, as I am in a dfferent session for a bit |
| 01:39:07 | <DanC_lap> | good question, CaptSolo ; I haven't heard |
| 01:39:17 | <DanC_lap> | ericP? any clues? |
| 01:39:46 | <timbl_> | If there was no chaneel, I would suggest this one |
| 01:58:04 | <CaptSolo> | Currently in LDOW2008: |
| 01:58:30 | <CaptSolo> | - A Case Study on Linked Data Generation and Consumption. presented by Jianqiang Li |
| 01:58:59 | <CaptSolo> | already had presentations on: |
| 01:59:13 | <CaptSolo> | - Weaving SIOC into the Web of Linked Data, presented by /me |
| 01:59:41 | <CaptSolo> | - Semantic Marc, MARC21 and The Semantic Web. presented by Rob Styles |
| 02:00:54 | <CaptSolo> | - The OAI2LOD Server: Exposing OAI-PMH Metadata as Linked Data. presented by Bernhard Haslhofer. with a short live demo at the end. |
| 02:01:11 | <CaptSolo> | hi cerealtom! |
| 02:02:23 | <cerealtom> | ACTION waves to CaptSolo |
| 02:02:48 | <CaptSolo> | ACTION waves bck in the physical world |
| 02:02:54 | <cerealtom> | ACTION will try to scribe more from LDOW2008 in next session - chairing this one |
| 02:03:30 | <kasei> | anyone know where I might find large sample data that makes use of owl:sameAs and Functional/InverseFunctional properties? |
| 02:03:42 | <CaptSolo> | cerealtom: could someone announce before the next session that there is an IRC channel that can be used as a backchannel |
| 02:03:53 | <CaptSolo> | and ask for scribing volunteers |
| 02:04:28 | <CaptSolo> | often it's just a question of letting participants know there is a backchan |
| 02:06:18 | <CaptSolo> | ACTION can not scribe right now (and a mild RSI does not help it either) |
| 02:08:00 | <CaptSolo> | cerealtom: is information about LDOW'08 papers available as linked RDF data? |
| 02:45:19 | <CaptSolo> | SparqlPlug presentation on now at LDOW2008 |
| 02:51:00 | <CaptSolo> | "SparqlPlug offers a simple, partially automated & scalable solution to creation and maintenance of RDF data from arbitrary HTML sources" |
| 02:56:16 | <CaptSolo> | riese presentation now |
| 02:57:01 | <Paul_Miller> | Hi cerealtom ... |
| 02:57:13 | <cerealtom> | Hi Paul_Miller |
| 02:57:26 | <Paul_Miller> | cerealtom: Fancy meeting you here... :-) |
| 02:57:56 | <cerealtom> | from LDOW2008: wolfgang halb currently talking about creating the Riese data set |
| 02:58:04 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller: come ere often? |
| 02:58:16 | <CaptSolo> | ref. to Survey Modelling Statistics in RDF, by LeeF |
| 02:58:53 | <cerealtom> | workshop programme at http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/#program |
| 02:59:38 | <cerealtom> | .g riese rdf eurostat |
| 02:59:39 | <CaptSolo> | http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/#program |
| 02:59:40 | <phenny> | cerealtom: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CommunityProjects/LinkingOpenData/EuroStat |
| 02:59:51 | <cerealtom> | tusk |
| 02:59:57 | <CaptSolo> | B:|Linked Data on the Web (LDOW2008) - program |
| 03:00:03 | <cerealtom> | Riese is at http://riese.joanneum.at/ |
| 03:00:11 | <CaptSolo> | B:WWW 2008 Workshop |
| 03:00:43 | <cerealtom> | http://riese.joanneum.at/ |
| 03:00:49 | <CaptSolo> | B:links to PDFs of all papers available on the website |
| 03:01:05 | <cerealtom> | C:Riese data set |
| 03:01:38 | <cerealtom> | wolfgang now talking about the user-contributed interlinking, adding wiki-style links |
| 03:02:52 | <cerealtom> | riese built on apache, swi-prolog, p2r, php, etc |
| 03:05:48 | <cerealtom> | next talk at LDOW2008: Provenance and Linked Data in Biological Data Webs |
| 03:06:00 | <cerealtom> | by Jun Zhao, Graham Klyne and David Shotton |
| 03:06:45 | <cerealtom> | authors from the bioinformatics research group in the biology dept at oxford uni |
| 03:07:08 | <cerealtom> | so comp scientists working with fruitfly researchers ;) |
| 03:07:19 | <CaptSolo> | cerealtom++ |
| 03:08:27 | <cerealtom> | http://imageweb.zoo.ox.ac.uk/wiki/index.php/FlyWeb_project |
| 03:08:38 | <cerealtom> | D:FlyWeb project |
| 03:09:27 | <cerealtom> | integrates genomic data with publications etc |
| 03:09:54 | <cerealtom> | wow, based on real user research with biologists |
| 03:10:09 | <CaptSolo> | dc_swig: pointer |
| 03:10:22 | <CaptSolo> | (or how do you ask for the current moment in logs?) |
| 03:11:08 | <cerealtom> | d2rserver++ |
| 03:12:08 | <cerealtom> | flyweb uses flybase database the create mappings, but do the biologists trust the results? |
| 03:12:31 | <cerealtom> | ^^ is the key question of this paper: trust and provenance of links |
| 03:13:28 | <CaptSolo> | "how many biologists are here in the room?" - (not many hands raised) -> "that's good ;)" |
| 03:14:20 | <CaptSolo> | B:transcript / irc discussion logs at [http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2008-04-22.html#T01-36-53] |
| 03:15:30 | <cerealtom> | provenance tracking in FlyWeb done with Named Graphs |
| 03:18:19 | <CaptSolo> | "now i will do a short demo" |
| 03:18:54 | <CaptSolo> | "and i touched my code last night when i was heavily jetlagged which i think was not a very good idea :)" |
| 03:19:15 | <cerealtom> | demo running on localhost - does work it seems, despite jet lag :) |
| 03:20:21 | <cerealtom> | "hard to find a good interface for explanations retrieved from the data set" |
| 03:20:37 | <cerealtom> | (as in provenance explanations) |
| 03:23:17 | <cerealtom> | question from kidehen; "you aware of all the biordf projects...?" |
| 03:24:10 | <cerealtom> | big question from ChrisB: how to create interfaces for provenance info |
| 03:24:59 | <CaptSolo> | "sorry, i am not a big fan for RDF visualizations" |
| 03:25:07 | <cerealtom> | JunZhao: "not a fan of rdf graph visualisations" |
| 03:25:22 | <cerealtom> | next talk from LDOW2008... |
| 03:25:23 | <cerealtom> | Open Data Commons, a License for Open Data |
| 03:25:24 | <cerealtom> | Paul Miller, Rob Styles and Tom Heath |
| 03:25:26 | <CaptSolo> | cerealtom: what was this in a reply to? |
| 03:26:10 | <cerealtom> | ChrisB: "Licensing a big issue not fully addressed" |
| 03:26:49 | <cerealtom> | CaptSolo: the rdf graph visualisation question was in response to Chris's question about explanation interfaces |
| 03:26:59 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller shows the LOD coud |
| 03:27:24 | <cerealtom> | "all this data is great!" -- Paul_Miller |
| 03:27:47 | <cerealtom> | "but all these bubbles..are a tiny drop in the ocean" |
| 03:28:04 | <cerealtom> | "where is all the rest? hiding away in silos" |
| 03:30:15 | <cerealtom> | "how do i publish my data and still protect myself?" |
| 03:30:40 | <cerealtom> | "what if i get it wrong, what if someone takes the data?" |
| 03:30:58 | <cerealtom> | "FUD -> I'll do nothing, and will just keep quiet" |
| 03:31:28 | <cerealtom> | (and hope that kidehen doesnt come asking for the data) |
| 03:32:09 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller quotes timbl from intro to LDOW2008 workshop: "Linked data is the semantic web done right, and its the web done right" |
| 03:32:40 | <cerealtom> | "openness is not just 'religion'" -- Paul_Miller |
| 03:33:13 | <cerealtom> | "there are valid social and economic reasons for publishing data" |
| 03:33:55 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller quotes Tim O'Reilly: "we have open software and open apis, but what about the openness of the data?" |
| 03:34:18 | <cerealtom> | "open makes good economic sense" - Paul_Miller |
| 03:35:03 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller quotes from UK Office of Fair Trading report about commercial reuse of government data |
| 03:36:31 | <cerealtom> | Report says "if data were to be freely avaiable the UK would be GBP500million better off" |
| 03:38:12 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller "when talking about data, copyright DOES NOT APPLY" |
| 03:38:29 | <cerealtom> | "copyright is about protecting creative works" |
| 03:38:41 | <cerealtom> | "data is not a creative work" |
| 03:39:15 | <cerealtom> | "saying nothing about the protections on your data is not enough" -- Paul_Miller |
| 03:40:03 | <cerealtom> | "simply putting data out there without clear licensing turns will probably turn people away" |
| 03:40:21 | <cerealtom> | "database right applies in EU, but NOT in USA" |
| 03:40:38 | <cerealtom> | "different views in other jurisdictions" |
| 03:41:06 | <cerealtom> | "We need to be explicit, and say exactly how we're licensing data" |
| 03:41:15 | <kasei> | "database right"? |
| 03:41:47 | <cerealtom> | kasei: see http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/08-miller-styles-open-data-commons.pdf |
| 03:41:58 | <kasei> | thanks |
| 03:42:28 | <cerealtom> | http://www.opendatacommons.org/ |
| 03:42:41 | <cerealtom> | E:Open Data Commons |
| 03:43:00 | <cerealtom> | collaboration between science commons, talis, others |
| 03:43:13 | <cerealtom> | now hosted by Open Knowledge Foundation |
| 03:44:36 | <cerealtom> | "rather than pretending that protections exist when they dont, due to different jurisdictions, waive rights and gift to the public domain, then layer protections back on top" |
| 03:44:52 | <cerealtom> | "...using community norms" |
| 03:45:14 | <cerealtom> | 'what does this mean for the Linked Data world?" |
| 03:45:54 | <cerealtom> | "more data, because of less ambiguity, more linking and reuse of data, as can be sure of the terms under which i can use it" |
| 03:46:13 | <cerealtom> | "make a conscious decision about what you want to do with your data" |
| 03:46:35 | <CaptSolo> | B:related live twitter messages: [http://www.hashtags.org/tag/www2008/] and [http://www.hashtags.org/tag/ldow2008/] |
| 03:46:47 | <cerealtom> | "take a look at the license; if it works for you then use it; if it doesnt, use something else; both are fine, just be explicit" |
| 03:47:25 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller++ #for great talk, and very steady presentation style (makes for easy transcribing) |
| 03:47:54 | <cerealtom> | question fro Daniel Schwabe: what about licensing vocabs, ontologies, thesauri? |
| 03:48:14 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller "prob covered by copyright" |
| 03:49:29 | <cerealtom> | mmmmmrob answers: republishing existing copyrighted vocab (for example) eg as a an OWL ontology is likely to be a copyright infringement" |
| 03:50:19 | <cerealtom> | kidehen "why arent mashups coming up against this issue?" |
| 03:51:20 | <cerealtom> | mmmmmrob answers "we're moving from technical demos to wanting to use this for enterprise and business" |
| 03:52:08 | <cerealtom> | "more licensing is inevitable; precedents are e.g. open source - very informal at first, the peope realised you had to get explicit" |
| 03:52:18 | <cerealtom> | (from mmmmmrob) |
| 03:52:24 | <cerealtom> | mmmmmmrob++ |
| 03:52:41 | <cerealtom> | "if code is unlicensed you dont build on top of it" |
| 03:52:51 | <cerealtom> | "second precedent is CC" |
| 03:53:03 | <cerealtom> | kidehen "how are we going to bootstrap this?" |
| 03:53:30 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller "LOD is the lighthouse example, so need to lead by example" |
| 03:54:13 | <cerealtom> | now a couple of demos at LDOW2008... |
| 03:54:15 | <cerealtom> | Browser-based Semantic Mapping Tool for Linked Data in Semantic Web |
| 03:54:16 | <cerealtom> | Chunying Zhou, Chengli Xu, Huajun Chen and Kingsley Idehen |
| 03:54:42 | <timbl> | It is very much in Amazon's interest as a seller to have information about its available goods widely available.. If other bookstores do expose data commons licensed data on their products, and Amazon sues people ho scrape their data sform Amazon APIs, then people will be drawn to buy books from other places. |
| 03:55:01 | <timbl> | ^ Tim's reply to to kidehen's question |
| 03:55:18 | <DanC_lap> | ACTION wonders what "the events of last night" were |
| 03:55:46 | <cerealtom> | DanC: giovannit left his laptop in a cab :( |
| 03:55:57 | <DanC_lap> | ouch. |
| 03:56:21 | <cerealtom> | yeah, not looking like he'll see it again |
| 03:56:57 | <cerealtom> | .g xmla |
| 03:56:58 | <phenny> | cerealtom: http://www.xmlforanalysis.com/ |
| 03:57:34 | <IvanHerman> | afaik, cabs have their number printed on the receipts, he may be able to track that down. If he has the receipt, Giovanni should ask help from the conference organizers right away... |
| 03:58:11 | <cerealtom> | IvanHerman: yes, Giovanni has the receipt and been in touch with the company, but is disputed about whether it was left in the cab or not |
| 03:58:31 | <IvanHerman> | than, as DanC just said: ouch:-( |
| 03:59:09 | <cerealtom> | he's getting help from Huajun Chen, but some additional "encouragement" from the conf organisers may help aswell |
| 03:59:20 | <cerealtom> | may add additional weight IvanHerman |
| 03:59:50 | <cerealtom> | ACTION impressed by demo, but hard to follow and scribe at the same time |
| 04:00:29 | <DanC_lap> | hmm... "you can see what's going on right now" ... I'm kinda struggling... maybe just jet-lag; i wish he'd start with "so we're trying to sell some shoes" or something less technical |
| 04:00:53 | <IvanHerman> | cerealtom: contact An Qi Li, +8613466746557. She has a very good English and is extremely helpful. She might be around |
| 04:01:35 | <DanC_lap> | IvanHerman, was that phone number previously published? |
| 04:02:38 | <cerealtom> | IvanHerman: thanks, will pass that on |
| 04:03:27 | <DanC_lap> | where he says "sparql graph pattern" I tend to think of "rules"; I wonder if any RIF folks are watching |
| 04:14:47 | <tuukkah> | is it lunch time in beijing ?-) |
| 04:16:20 | <bbagins> | I'm storing arbitrary binary data (a jpeg) to a char * and want to store it in a Perl scalar and save it from a Perl program, when I return the char * and Perl only saves the first few bytes, any pointers to handling binary data in strings would greatly be appreciated |
| 04:18:07 | <kasei> | bbagins: wrong channel |
| 04:19:24 | <bbagins> | kasei, ah, thanks, sincere apologies |
| 04:19:37 | <kasei> | no worries |
| 05:25:19 | <mmmmmrob> | kidehen: when you get a sec: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmmmmrob/2433392050/ |
| 05:26:03 | <kidehen> | phenny, tell timbl: http://umbel.org/about |
| 05:26:03 | <phenny> | kidehen: I'll pass that on when timbl is around. |
| 05:26:35 | <timbl> | ACTION notes #swig is on the screen at the moment in LOD |
| 05:26:35 | <phenny> | timbl: 05:26Z <kidehen> tell timbl http://umbel.org/about |
| 05:26:42 | <yvesr> | hello :-) |
| 05:27:05 | <timbl> | looks like text plain |
| 05:27:10 | <kidehen> | timbl: http://dataviewer.zitgist.com/?uri=http://www.umbel.org/about/ |
| 05:29:24 | <timbl> | http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/Projects.rdf#OpenLinkedDataProject |
| 05:32:03 | <Yudai> | hi timbl |
| 05:32:14 | <Yudai> | have you read the mail from me? |
| 05:32:53 | <mmmmmrob> | Yudai: he's kinda busy speaking to LDOW200 right now |
| 05:33:12 | <Yudai> | mmmmmrob: oh i see |
| 05:34:48 | <timbl> | http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2007/wiki/Projects.rdf#OpenLinkedDataProject |
| 05:36:35 | <cerealtom> | title of this talk, in case no one posted earlier: Tabulator Redux: Browsing and Writing Linked Data |
| 05:36:35 | <cerealtom> | Tim Berners-Lee, J. Hollenbach, Kanghao Lu, J. Presbrey, E. Prud'hommeaux and mc schraefel |
| 05:37:31 | <kidehen> | timbl: http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~suchanek/personal/ |
| 05:38:09 | <kidehen> | timbl: : foaf:name "Fabian Suchanek" |
| 05:38:11 | <cerealtom> | related paper about yago from last years WWW conf: Paper Title: Yago: A Core of Semantic Knowledge - Unifying WordNet and Wikipedia. Authors:. Fabian M. Suchanek (Max-Planck-Institute for Computer Science) ... |
| 05:39:21 | <timbl> | http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2008/Talks/0422-tab-tbl/#(2) |
| 05:39:54 | <cerealtom> | H: timbl's slides from current talk |
| 05:42:07 | <ericP> | ACTION is in the hcls workshop -- could run in for questions if needed |
| 05:49:17 | <cerealtom> | timbl talks about future plans for tabulator: forms? use forms as hints for ordering specific types of data? |
| 05:50:42 | <cerealtom> | collaborative shared editing... |
| 05:51:09 | <cerealtom> | goal: when i change something you are looking at, your view changes |
| 05:52:04 | <cerealtom> | protocol design issues: reverse http? hanging http? udp? |
| 05:52:12 | <cerealtom> | mentions LeeF's Boca |
| 05:52:19 | <cerealtom> | .g boca rdf server |
| 05:52:20 | <phenny> | cerealtom: http://ibm-slrp.sourceforge.net/2006/11/20/boca-the-rdf-repository-component-of-the-ibm-semantic-layered-research-platform/ |
| 05:53:38 | <yvesr> | btw, what's the state of boca atm? |
| 05:57:28 | <cerealtom> | ACTION shrugs at yvesr |
| 05:58:14 | <cerealtom> | question from mmmmmrob about user-configured workflows |
| 05:59:18 | <cerealtom> | mmmmmrob found timbl's workflow ontology but didnt like it ;) |
| 05:59:52 | <mmmmmrob> | ACTION apologises for not liking timbl's workflow ontology and goes to perform his penance |
| 06:00:08 | <cerealtom> | ACTION gets the impression timbl has thick skin ;) |
| 06:00:44 | <cerealtom> | current talk at LDOW2008: |
| 06:00:46 | <cerealtom> | Searching Semantic Web Objects Based on Class Hierarchies |
| 06:00:46 | <cerealtom> | Gong Cheng, Weiyi Ge, Honghan Wu and Yuzhong Qu |
| 06:01:03 | <cerealtom> | http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/12-cheng-ge-searching-semantic-web-objects.pdf |
| 06:01:24 | <cerealtom> | I: paper about Falcon-S semantic web search engine |
| 06:01:54 | <cerealtom> | .g falcons semantic search engine |
| 06:01:55 | <phenny> | cerealtom: http://www.falcons.com.cn/saquery.jsp |
| 06:03:35 | <cerealtom> | http://iws.seu.edu.cn/services/falcons/objectsearch/index.jsp currently being demoed |
| 06:03:51 | <cerealtom> | J: better link to Falcon-S search engine |
| 06:04:33 | <cerealtom> | gong cheng uses "beijing 2008" as sample query |
| 06:05:13 | <cerealtom> | then filters by "event" class |
| 06:10:37 | <cerealtom> | LeeF: timbl was bigging up Boca here in Beijing |
| 06:12:40 | <LeeF> | cerealtom, guess I need to do a better job getting the word out that Boca was forked a while ago and active development is proceding in Open Anzo :-) |
| 06:12:55 | <LeeF> | thanks for the tidbit |
| 06:12:57 | <cerealtom> | LeeF: guess so :D |
| 06:13:00 | <KjetilK> | :-) |
| 06:13:07 | <cerealtom> | .g Open Anzo |
| 06:13:08 | <phenny> | cerealtom: http://openanzo.org/ |
| 06:13:16 | <timbl> | Open Anzo |
| 06:13:55 | <cerealtom> | http://openanzo.org/ |
| 06:14:06 | <timbl> | Leef, i was referring to the neat demo with th instant parallel udate of a rdf-backed spreadsheet -- is that in anzo? |
| 06:14:24 | <cerealtom> | K:Open Anzo, successor to/fork of Boca |
| 06:14:44 | <LeeF> | The demo itself isn't - we're working on doing a "for real" version of that, though |
| 06:14:51 | <kidehen> | cerealtom: http://community.linkeddata.org/DAV/home/kidehen2/Public/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces.ppt (for the Data Portability presentation by me, later on) |
| 06:14:52 | <LeeF> | Unclear whether it will be part of Open Anzo or not, yet :-/ |
| 06:15:07 | <LeeF> | I'll be demo'ing our latest RDF+spreadsheet stuff at SemTech |
| 06:15:12 | <kidehen> | cerealtom: for zLinks (upcoming) http://zlinks.zitgist.com/demo/www2008.php |
| 06:15:14 | <cerealtom> | cheers kidehen |
| 06:15:25 | <cerealtom> | kidehen++ |
| 06:15:40 | <kidehen> | cerealtom: cheers++ :-) |
| 06:17:04 | <timbl> | How much of Cambridge Semantics work is open source? |
| 06:17:10 | <timbl> | Is there a policy |
| 06:17:12 | <timbl> | ? |
| 06:18:14 | <LeeF> | timbl: Policy is still being written & rewritten. Right now, most (I'd estimate 80-90%) is open source. |
| 06:18:33 | <LeeF> | We're doing a lot of serious thinking about what to do with the rest - very seriously considering free academic and perhaps non-profit licenses for all of it |
| 06:18:35 | <LeeF> | But undecided |
| 06:19:07 | <timbl> | And the business model? |
| 06:19:38 | <LeeF> | Better answered in person, since it's a somewhat involved answer :) |
| 06:20:05 | <timbl> | :) |
| 06:20:30 | <timbl> | Lunch some time then, or drop in if passing my office |
| 06:20:36 | <LeeF> | Will do. |
| 06:20:42 | <timbl> | when I'm not in china :) |
| 06:20:44 | <LeeF> | :D |
| 06:22:27 | <cerealtom> | current demo at LDOW2008: DBpedia Mobile: A Location-Enabled Linked Data Browser |
| 06:22:27 | <cerealtom> | Christian Becker and Chris Bizer |
| 06:22:50 | <cerealtom> | "mobile user has specific needs" |
| 06:22:56 | <cerealtom> | http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/13-becker-bizer-dbpedia-mobile.pdf |
| 06:23:10 | <cerealtom> | L: DBpedia Mobile paper |
| 06:23:26 | <cerealtom> | "phone of the future will have GPS" |
| 06:23:48 | <cerealtom> | "300k dbpedia resources have geocordinates" |
| 06:24:18 | <cerealtom> | "we link this data to other stuff: photos, reviews, etc" |
| 06:25:36 | <cerealtom> | christian becker shows map view of his location in beijing, with nearby highlights, then switches to chinese view |
| 06:26:05 | <cerealtom> | shows review of local sight from Revyu |
| 06:27:24 | <cerealtom> | demo now showing filtering by properties |
| 06:27:39 | <cerealtom> | desktop version has more advanced sparql interface |
| 06:27:56 | <KjetilK> | heh, I posted a review of a scam tea shop in Beijing on revyu... |
| 06:28:17 | <cerealtom> | kjetilk++ |
| 06:28:23 | <LeeF> | LOL |
| 06:28:39 | <cerealtom> | dbpedia mobile can also write data to the web |
| 06:29:06 | <cerealtom> | kjetilk: was really helpful :) |
| 06:29:50 | <cerealtom> | the full data browser element of this demo is called "Marbles" |
| 06:30:26 | <cerealtom> | "marbles renders xhtml views from RDF data using Fresnel, XSLT and CSS |
| 06:30:49 | <cerealtom> | "persistent graph with caching behaviour" |
| 06:31:15 | <cerealtom> | "follows known predicates (owl:sameAs, rdfs:seeAlso), also uses Sindice" |
| 06:31:57 | <cerealtom> | "outlook: wants to integrate geonames. also openstreepmap, if only that was published as linked data" |
| 06:33:08 | <cerealtom> | http://wiki.dbpedia.org/dbpediamobile |
| 06:33:25 | <cerealtom> | M: dbpedia mobile, more info and demos |
| 06:34:54 | <cerealtom> | same speaker, different topic... christian becker presents work by georgi kobilarov and in dickinson: |
| 06:34:56 | <cerealtom> | Humboldt: Exploring Linked Data |
| 06:34:56 | <cerealtom> | Georgi Kobilarov and Ian Dickinson |
| 06:35:10 | <cerealtom> | http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/15-kobilarov-dickinson-humboldt-exploring.pdf |
| 06:35:40 | <cerealtom> | N: Humboldt Exploring Linked Data, paper from LDOW2008 |
| 06:40:12 | <cerealtom> | http://humboldt-project.org/ |
| 06:40:26 | <cerealtom> | O: Humboldt Project web site |
| 06:40:49 | <cerealtom> | latest linked data browser demo: Browsing Linked Data with Fenfire |
| 06:40:49 | <cerealtom> | Tuukka Hastrup, Richard Cyganiak and Uldis Bojars |
| 06:41:11 | <cerealtom> | "RDF at your fingertips" |
| 06:41:25 | <cerealtom> | http://fenfire.org/ |
| 06:41:36 | <cerealtom> | P: Fenfire Linked Data browser |
| 06:42:21 | <cerealtom> | "provides an interactive way to view RDF data when you do need the graph data view" |
| 06:42:36 | <cerealtom> | being presented by CaptSolo |
| 06:43:05 | <cerealtom> | triple-like view: subjects on left, objects on right |
| 06:43:31 | <cerealtom> | "rotate arcs around central node" |
| 06:43:53 | <cerealtom> | "just click add to create a new node" |
| 06:44:16 | <cerealtom> | "assigns uris, or you can add your own" |
| 06:51:23 | <LeeF> | #swig, "it's almost like being there" |
| 06:53:26 | <mhausenblas> | right ;) |
| 06:53:54 | <cerealtom> | current LDOW2008 demo: zLinks: Semantic Framework for Invoking Contextual Linked Data |
| 06:53:54 | <cerealtom> | Mike Bergman and Frederick Giasson |
| 06:54:03 | <cerealtom> | zLinks from Zitgist |
| 06:54:23 | <cerealtom> | pronounced "zeitgeist", m'kay ;) |
| 06:54:52 | <cerealtom> | kidehen talking, fgiasson and mkbergman unable to attend |
| 06:55:07 | <cerealtom> | uses example from the BBC |
| 06:55:44 | <cerealtom> | http://zitgist.com/products/zlinks/zlinks.html |
| 06:55:52 | <cerealtom> | Q: zLinks |
| 06:56:44 | <cerealtom> | kidehen demos umbel stuff using the relation browser |
| 07:01:37 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION waves to the LDOW08 people and hopes you have a great time ;) |
| 07:02:02 | <tuukkah> | in case anyone has questions about fenfire i'm happy to discuss |
| 07:02:56 | <CaptSolo> | tuukkah is the author of Fenfire which i just presented at #ldow2008 |
| 07:03:24 | <CaptSolo> | developers and all interested to play with it, please contact tuukkah |
| 07:03:27 | <CaptSolo> | and ask questions |
| 07:04:21 | <mmmmmrob> | tuukkah: what's the nest URI to get fenfire from? |
| 07:04:28 | <cerealtom> | latest LDOW2008 presentation: n2Mate: Exploiting social capital to create a standards-rich semantic network |
| 07:04:29 | <cerealtom> | David Peterson, Anne Cregan, Rob Atkinson and John Brisbin |
| 07:04:38 | <mmmmmrob> | s/nest/best/ |
| 07:05:29 | <cerealtom> | "for sw to take off, we need to have a manageable set of ontologies which are heavily used and heavily interlinked" |
| 07:05:37 | <tuukkah> | mmmmmrob, the repo is at http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/darcs/fenfire-hs or i got http://tuukka.iki.fi/tmp/fenfire-0.2.tar.gz |
| 07:06:12 | <mmmmmrob> | tuukkah: this is not the same as http://fenfire.org is it? |
| 07:06:17 | <CaptSolo> | tuukkah: is that the source or the binary you compiled for the presentation? |
| 07:06:33 | <tuukkah> | mmmmmrob, there's only 0.1 there, but the repo is the same |
| 07:06:36 | <cerealtom> | "some angles on the problem: get consensus, but hard with a large group; do automated matching; social angle: encourage reuse" |
| 07:06:47 | <CaptSolo> | ACTION can recommend an easy way to try Fenfire - just use Ubuntu LiveCD and a pre-compiled binary |
| 07:06:48 | <mmmmmrob> | tuukkah: thanks |
| 07:06:57 | <CaptSolo> | under virtualisation on a Mac :D |
| 07:08:10 | <Cloud_> | I will exchange 1 sioc t-shirt for 1 semantic web sticker for my laptop (pleez!) CaptSolo: did you catch a keyring earlier? |
| 07:08:22 | <CaptSolo> | Cloud_: no :( |
| 07:08:36 | <CaptSolo> | ah, and SemWeb stickers rock too. |
| 07:08:54 | <Cloud_> | we'll have to make one so out of an old plastic bottle, a can and a printout from the website |
| 07:08:59 | <CaptSolo> | liked TimBL's approach of replacing apple logo with it |
| 07:09:05 | <LeeF> | K:|Open Anzo, successor to/fork of Boca |
| 07:09:26 | <LeeF> | g'night WWWers - thanks for all the commentary! |
| 07:09:28 | <tuukkah> | CaptSolo, that's the source. the binary will only work on ubuntu 7.10 i think |
| 07:09:30 | <EliasT> | LeeF: go to bed! |
| 07:09:34 | <cerealtom> | "n2mate, exploit existing social processes" |
| 07:09:50 | <EliasT> | I skipped the conference today... |
| 07:09:52 | <LeeF> | EliasT: How'd the RDFa tute go? |
| 07:10:06 | <EliasT> | It was good... like 25-30 folks.. |
| 07:10:09 | <EliasT> | lots of good questions |
| 07:10:12 | <CaptSolo> | tuukkah: still a simple way to start. i enjoyed it so much (running from livecd). makes many more non-specialists try it |
| 07:10:17 | <EliasT> | no microformat battles. |
| 07:10:22 | <cerealtom> | ACTION thinks there will be more keyrings in the w3c track tomorrow |
| 07:10:24 | <LeeF> | Any particularly interesting use cases discussed? |
| 07:10:37 | <cerealtom> | EliasT: phew;) |
| 07:10:51 | <EliasT> | Discussions with Yahoo folks. |
| 07:10:51 | <kidehen> | cerealtom: UMBEL presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/mkbergman/umbel-semantic-web-services/ (can be associated with Zitgist demo ) |
| 07:11:13 | <mhausenblas> | EliasT: what's about the background .. how many have heard about RDFa/RDF before? |
| 07:11:15 | <iand> | EliasT: are you coming to xtech? |
| 07:11:29 | <EliasT> | iand: no xtech for me.. |
| 07:11:36 | <EliasT> | I'd love to visit Dublin. |
| 07:11:36 | <tuukkah> | CaptSolo, here's the binary: http://tuukka.iki.fi/tmp/fenfire-ubuntu710v2.tar.gz |
| 07:11:43 | <EliasT> | We just got back from the Forbidden City |
| 07:11:48 | <EliasT> | had to miss the Talis presentation |
| 07:11:56 | <EliasT> | but did have breakfast with Paul and others... |
| 07:12:00 | <KiYanWang> | EliasT-- ... hope your brought back some sweets :p |
| 07:12:13 | <EliasT> | We bought a lot of tea |
| 07:12:18 | <Paul_Miller> | ACTION hopes EliasT has sweeties, too. |
| 07:12:20 | <EliasT> | oolong, puehr, etc. |
| 07:12:27 | <Paul_Miller> | ACTION really fancies some chocolate, actually... |
| 07:12:33 | <EliasT> | got a foot massage |
| 07:12:34 | <EliasT> | Ben is looking for sweets too... |
| 07:12:37 | <EliasT> | (Adida) |
| 07:12:45 | <Paul_Miller> | EliasT: Presentation S. Plural. |
| 07:12:45 | <EliasT> | there's a grocery store 5min walk from here... |
| 07:12:47 | <KiYanWang> | EliasT: tell mmmmmrob he's after a massage |
| 07:12:51 | <EliasT> | we should make a trip. |
| 07:12:54 | <Paul_Miller> | So you missed two. So feel VERY guilty. |
| 07:12:54 | <ghard> | tuukkah: got a distro/package handy that runs under MacOSX? |
| 07:13:06 | <EliasT> | He just has to be prepared for the SALES PITCH |
| 07:13:17 | <EliasT> | they told me I'm going to have health complications very soon |
| 07:13:25 | <EliasT> | but the foot massage WAS VERY GOOD |
| 07:13:27 | <iand> | EliasT: :( |
| 07:13:38 | <iand> | (for no xtech) |
| 07:13:38 | <mmmmmrob> | EliasT: where did you go? |
| 07:13:42 | <tuukkah> | ghard, nope :-( |
| 07:13:48 | <EliasT> | we took a tour |
| 07:13:52 | <EliasT> | Forbidden/T. Square |
| 07:13:56 | <EliasT> | private driver |
| 07:14:03 | <EliasT> | she then took us to different places |
| 07:14:09 | <EliasT> | silk factory, foot massage, tea house |
| 07:14:12 | <CaptSolo> | tuukkah: thanks |
| 07:14:16 | <EliasT> | all to get you to buy stuff.... |
| 07:14:17 | <ghard> | tuukkah: OK |
| 07:14:30 | <EliasT> | We should all go to Tea house tonight |
| 07:14:37 | <EliasT> | it's AWESOME |
| 07:14:46 | <EliasT> | private rooms.. girl serving tea... |
| 07:14:50 | <ghard> | ACTION has not slept 6 hours during last 72... |
| 07:14:54 | <EliasT> | delicious... and we can have some good laughs |
| 07:14:58 | <EliasT> | who's up for it? |
| 07:15:07 | <EliasT> | only half of Talis came come.. though. |
| 07:15:27 | <CaptSolo> | ghard: have you got VMWare fusion? |
| 07:15:32 | <Paul_Miller> | EliasT: bah. |
| 07:15:41 | <EliasT> | what else is happening right now? |
| 07:15:42 | <ghard> | In about 10 minutes if need be ;) |
| 07:15:42 | <Paul_Miller> | COFFEE!!! |
| 07:15:43 | <EliasT> | at the conf.. |
| 07:15:46 | <mmmmmrob> | EliasT: half of Talis ~= 40 people :) |
| 07:15:53 | <CaptSolo> | EliasT: where is the teahouse? |
| 07:15:56 | <EliasT> | mmmmmrob: that's good.. |
| 07:15:59 | <EliasT> | Dr. Tea |
| 07:16:02 | <EliasT> | it's close from here... |
| 07:16:08 | <EliasT> | not sure if we can walk or not.. |
| 07:16:10 | <ghard> | Yeehaw caffeine. I'd need some intravenously. |
| 07:17:02 | <ghard> | ACTION is going to talk VM with CaptSolo over coffee. |
| 07:17:23 | <EliasT> | I'm looking for a dumpling place tonight. |
| 07:17:29 | <EliasT> | no more peking duck for me |
| 07:17:40 | <timbl> | :) |
| 07:17:46 | <CaptSolo> | ghard: just get Ubuntu 7.10 CD then |
| 07:18:06 | <EliasT> | We should get a big group for Tea House though. |
| 07:18:08 | <CaptSolo> | i have a CD here, so you can just make an image and attach it in Fusion |
| 07:18:17 | <EliasT> | Where is everyone at right now? I'll walk over... |
| 07:18:25 | <CaptSolo> | then get the binaries that tuukkah pasted link to |
| 07:18:30 | <CaptSolo> | and you are all set |
| 07:18:38 | <ghard> | CaptSolo: Gonna have to find out how to get enough HD space free :( |
| 07:18:46 | <CaptSolo> | even get the demo data as a bonus :) |
| 07:18:52 | <ghard> | Yummy |
| 07:18:58 | <CaptSolo> | which were included in the arhi=ve to do the demo |
| 07:19:20 | <CaptSolo> | ghard: ok, you can keep the CD. then you won't need HDD space :) |
| 07:19:21 | <Cloud_> | @captsolo: did oyu hear @jccq had his laptop stolen out of a taxi? :( |
| 07:19:40 | <CaptSolo> | Cloud_: yes :( bad :( |
| 07:19:50 | <ghard> | Yoda sez: Bloatware these modern linux distros are. Too much C++ code there is. |
| 07:19:58 | <CaptSolo> | EliasT: what' s wrong with Peking duck? |
| 07:20:04 | <kjetilkWork> | EliasT, just be really sure you understand the menu first |
| 07:20:12 | <CaptSolo> | ghard: Yoda right, he is |
| 07:20:15 | <EliasT> | Cloud_: How did that happen? |
| 07:20:21 | <Cloud_> | Ah that was the best quote of Kingsley's talk this morning: CyCorp = Yoda |
| 07:20:22 | <kjetilkWork> | they robbed me of 50 Yuan per tiny cup of tea |
| 07:20:34 | <CaptSolo> | we went to a noodle place somewhere not too far away from here |
| 07:20:37 | <CaptSolo> | last night |
| 07:20:46 | <CaptSolo> | like 2 blocks away (two large blocks) |
| 07:20:53 | <CaptSolo> | just wondered in there, was cool |
| 07:20:55 | <Cloud_> | EliasT: unsure, I think someone opened the door, but no sign of it anyway :/ |
| 07:21:13 | <ghard> | ACTION runs for the coffee now... |
| 07:21:35 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION likes the redesign of http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/2008/04/this-weeks-semantic-web.php |
| 07:21:56 | <EliasT> | CaptSolo: nothing wrong... but I want something else.... |
| 07:23:52 | <iand> | thanks mhausenblas |
| 07:26:47 | <bblfish> | is everyone in china? |
| 07:26:59 | <tuukkah> | i wish i were :-) |
| 07:27:15 | <EliasT> | the problem is scheduling time for the great wall |
| 07:27:19 | <EliasT> | not enough time |
| 07:27:22 | <iand> | ACTION wonders what time it is in Beijing |
| 07:27:24 | <mhausenblas> | bblfish: no, 'just' about 1 billion people ;) |
| 07:27:28 | <EliasT> | 3:27 pm |
| 07:27:48 | <bblfish> | yes, I was just checking in my cal |
| 07:29:13 | <Cloud_> | http://oscf.davelangley.com/ |
| 07:29:27 | <Cloud_> | R: Online Semantic Community Framework |
| 07:29:43 | <Cloud_> | ACTION forgets how to use this |
| 07:30:03 | <Cloud_> | Ah yes |
| 07:30:36 | <bblfish> | I wonder if it is as polluted as the wired article described it http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/magazine/15-08/ff_pollution |
| 07:31:14 | <EliasT> | Beijing? |
| 07:32:18 | <bblfish> | yes. I suppose it is not just a beijing problem though. Not sure where the conf now is taking place... |
| 07:32:57 | <Cloud_> | R:|A framework for managing online communities based on semantic technologies; a final-year project by Dave Langley, TCD |
| 07:32:58 | <EliasT> | Some people were saying I was going to come back sick.. with resp problems.. |
| 07:33:07 | <EliasT> | a bit exaggerated if you ask me. |
| 07:33:52 | <bblfish> | well you are not running at Olympic standards |
| 07:33:57 | <Cloud_> | R|: Online Semantic Community Framework |
| 07:34:04 | <Cloud_> | R:| Online Semantic Community Framework |
| 07:34:20 | <Cloud_> | R:A framework for managing online communities based on semantic technologies; a final-year project by Dave Langley, TCD |
| 07:34:27 | <bblfish> | I wonder why OSCF decided to replace the scroll bar with their own |
| 07:34:27 | <Cloud_> | (got them the wrong away around) |
| 07:34:29 | <EliasT> | Well the lady at the foot massage parlor said I could if I bought the oil there. |
| 07:34:39 | <ghard> | With the air here, neither will the marathon runners ;) |
| 07:35:57 | <bblfish> | ghard: you are in China? |
| 07:38:23 | <ghard> | Yeah |
| 07:39:10 | <mmmmmrob> | cerealtom++ # for suggesting we go to the bar |
| 07:39:29 | <ghard> | The bets are on... how many will actually make it to the finish. |
| 07:39:33 | <mmmmmrob> | 8pm in the bar at the Crowne Plaza |
| 07:39:50 | <ghard> | I mean of the Marathon runners. |
| 07:40:13 | <mmmmmrob> | some confusion over which bar - just look for cerealtom kidehen or other linked data geeks with beer |
| 07:41:08 | <ghard> | ACTION is tempted but with the amount of sleep deprivation is afraid the Finnish reputation on booze tolerance would suffer. |
| 07:41:14 | <cerealtom> | current talk at LDOW2008 |
| 07:41:16 | <cerealtom> | Automatic Interlinking of Music Datasets on the Semantic Web |
| 07:41:16 | <cerealtom> | Yves Raimond, Christopher Sutton and Mark Sandler |
| 07:41:29 | <cerealtom> | go on ghard, you can do it! |
| 07:41:53 | <cerealtom> | http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/18-raimond-sutton-automatic-interlinking.pdf |
| 07:42:07 | <cerealtom> | S: paper about interlinking music datasets on the web |
| 07:42:53 | <cerealtom> | talk covering datasets such as musicbrainz, jamendo, bbc etc |
| 07:43:35 | <cerealtom> | "goal: automated links but low number of false positives" |
| 07:44:58 | <Cloud_> | mmmmmrob: sounds good, is that the bar that also has food? |
| 07:45:42 | <cerealtom> | Cloud_: would be great if you could join us |
| 07:45:49 | <ghard> | Thought Crown plaza had astronomical pricing (?) |
| 07:45:53 | <EliasT> | hotel bar? |
| 07:45:58 | <EliasT> | booooooorrrinngg |
| 07:46:04 | <mmmmmrob> | EliasT++ |
| 07:46:52 | <ghard> | Like I'd need to offer a write-up in Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy to get out in hte end ;) |
| 07:46:53 | <EliasT> | I'll have to go over there and do some organization. |
| 07:47:07 | <cerealtom> | ACTION thinks that EliasT and mmmmmrob would feel differently if they were trying to organise an event in a foreign city with an attendance range between 2 and 100 ;) |
| 07:47:20 | <EliasT> | true... |
| 07:47:48 | <mmmmmrob> | cerealtom: nope, hotel bar is boring - appropriate for the event, but still boring |
| 07:47:48 | <EliasT> | Let's split in small groups with similar interests... |
| 07:47:58 | <EliasT> | everyone paste their FOAF url in here now, let's have a bot do the work |
| 07:48:05 | <Cloud_> | ! |
| 07:48:22 | <cerealtom> | ACTION smiles at EliasT - get hacking then |
| 07:48:24 | <cerealtom> | ;) |
| 07:48:27 | <Paul_Miller> | ACTION makes supportive noises in cerealtom's direction... |
| 07:48:41 | <Cloud_> | EliasBot is it? or dc_swig_foaf:interest_hacked_bot |
| 07:48:42 | <cerealtom> | everyone shares the same interest: linked data ;) |
| 07:48:53 | <cerealtom> | Paul_Miller++ |
| 07:49:02 | <Cloud_> | you better get adding those interests to you profiles so |
| 07:49:14 | <Cloud_> | s/you profiles/your profiles |
| 07:49:18 | <EliasT> | we'll get an infinite loop |
| 07:49:29 | <Paul_Miller> | cerealtom: linked data and beer. Easy, innit? |
| 07:49:53 | <Cloud_> | Paul_Miller: sent you a Skype - can I get an Engage screenshot from you? Also, could you convince the Talis blog maintainer to install Uldis' SIOC exporter? |
| 07:50:12 | <Cloud_> | How's the power? |
| 07:50:26 | <cerealtom> | Cloud_++ #good idea re the sioc plugin |
| 07:50:33 | <iand> | Cloud_: we have tried :) |
| 07:50:39 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: borrowing KiYanWang's power cord right now... ;-) |
| 07:50:45 | <iand> | but we're running Wordpress MU |
| 07:51:02 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: Skype not on just now... :-( |
| 07:51:14 | <Cloud_> | iand: ahhhh |
| 07:51:20 | <Paul_Miller> | robotrobot: you got an Engage screenshot handy for Cloud_ (John Breslin, at DERI) |
| 07:51:25 | <Cloud_> | and it does something funny with authors for mu |
| 07:51:41 | <iand> | we'd love to have it on all our blogs though |
| 07:51:58 | <cerealtom> | CaptSolo: ping |
| 07:52:04 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: definitely a good idea re plugin... Is Uldis MU-ifying it? |
| 07:52:04 | <Cloud_> | Cool, I'll ping CaptSolo when he returneth |
| 07:52:06 | <iand> | if we get some time we'll fix the plugin... |
| 07:52:15 | <Cloud_> | AFAIK the last time I installed it |
| 07:52:19 | <iand> | but maybe someone else will do it first |
| 07:52:24 | <Cloud_> | it worked on MU but exported all authors |
| 07:52:31 | <Cloud_> | from all blogs, which was bad |
| 07:52:35 | <iand> | ACTION offers us up as test guinea pigs |
| 07:52:48 | <Paul_Miller> | ACTION hides behind iand... |
| 07:53:02 | <Cloud_> | excellent, i have a wpmu install on journals.ie but getting further out of date - oops |
| 07:53:13 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: you in the room? |
| 07:53:22 | <Cloud_> | No am at the AC meeting |
| 07:53:38 | <robotrobot> | Paul_Miller, Cloud_, anything you wish to see specifically? |
| 07:53:49 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: ah... assumed it had finished, given some of the people now in the room... |
| 07:53:56 | <Cloud_> | something that shows the community area, discussions maybe |
| 07:54:02 | <robotrobot> | hold on.. |
| 07:54:06 | <Cloud_> | Yeah, there's drifiting back and forth |
| 07:54:07 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: robotrobot is 'responsible' for Engage... and here with us in China... |
| 07:54:15 | <Cloud_> | Ah excellent, must meet up! |
| 07:54:19 | <mmmmmrob> | everyone stop downloading while yves demos! |
| 07:54:19 | <Cloud_> | robotrobot: real name? |
| 07:54:22 | <robotrobot> | yeah, Engage was my fault... |
| 07:54:23 | <robotrobot> | Chris Clarke |
| 07:54:26 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: he's also speaking about it on Friday afternoon in the Dev track... |
| 07:54:27 | <robotrobot> | you at www2008? |
| 07:54:32 | <Cloud_> | Cool Chris - see you later! |
| 07:54:40 | <Cloud_> | Yep - bu tI fly back Friday :( |
| 07:54:49 | <robotrobot> | ah, my talk is at 3ish on Friday |
| 07:55:02 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: guess you're not coming with us to the Wall on Sat/Sun, then! |
| 07:55:12 | <robotrobot> | if you're coming along to the lodw2008 beer 'n meet later... |
| 07:55:26 | <mmmmmrob> | s/lodw/ldow |
| 07:55:37 | <robotrobot> | thanks mmmmmrob |
| 07:55:43 | <Cloud_> | No :( Dang! Yep will do! |
| 07:55:45 | <Paul_Miller> | mmmmmrob: no... lodw drinks in bar on left. ldow drinks in bar on right. |
| 07:56:05 | <mmmmmrob> | Paul_Miller: SPLITTERS! |
| 07:56:07 | <Cloud_> | ACTION realises that sounded schizophrenic |
| 07:56:11 | <robotrobot> | http://skitch.com/robot/kyfs/talis-engage-trial-cadbury-world |
| 07:56:16 | <Paul_Miller> | mmmmmrob: what have the Romans ever done for us ? |
| 07:56:25 | <mmmmmrob> | sanitation |
| 07:56:33 | <Cloud_> | Perfic - thanks! |
| 07:56:41 | <robotrobot> | This one shows Cadbury world represented in Engage |
| 07:57:01 | <robotrobot> | You can see how it links to the Person George Cadbury, a load of tags and some SKOS subjects |
| 07:57:25 | <Paul_Miller> | mmmmmrob: ok, other than sanitation, what have the Romans ever done for us? |
| 07:58:04 | <Cloud_> | (Am doing a talk about SIOC for our review board next month so need some screenies of commercial deployments) |
| 07:58:24 | <Paul_Miller> | Cloud_: happy to oblige... :-) |
| 07:58:37 | <Paul_Miller> | ACTION rephrases... Cloud_ happy to have CHRIS oblige! |
| 07:58:53 | <mmmmmrob> | Paul_Miller: The aqueduct. |
| 07:58:55 | <CaptSolo> | cerealtom: pong. |
| 07:59:03 | <CaptSolo> | what's up? |
| 07:59:13 | <mmmmmrob> | Paul_Miller: And the roads. |
| 07:59:56 | <Paul_Miller> | mmmmmrob: roads? Who needs roads? |
| 08:00:10 | <robotrobot> | rather than me spam the channel with screenshots Cloud_, see me after class ;-) |
| 08:00:40 | <Paul_Miller> | ACTION can't help feeling that spamming with Engage screenshots is rather more on-topic than Monty Python misquotes... ;-) |
| 08:00:43 | <Cloud_> | Yes sir! |
| 08:01:05 | <robotrobot> | lol |
| 08:02:21 | <robotrobot> | Cloud_ just bounced you a mail so you have my contact details |
| 08:02:53 | <CaptSolo> | Paul_Miller: re. MU-ifying - can be done. having someone who needs it and is ready to use a MU-ified version sounds good |
| 08:03:16 | <cerealtom> | current talk at LDOW2008: URI Disambiguation in the Context of Linked Data |
| 08:03:16 | <cerealtom> | Afraz Jaffri, Hugh Glaser and Ian Millard |
| 08:03:30 | <Paul_Miller> | CaptSolo: count us in... Might be worth ambling into #talis at your convenience, and saying 'Hi' to mauvedeity ... |
| 08:04:54 | <timbl> | ACTION finds that his safety-minded red cable is camouflaged in China |
| 08:05:24 | <timbl> | rkbexplorer.com |
| 08:06:12 | <cerealtom> | CaptSolo: fancy taking over the scribing for a moment? i need to concentrate on the talks! |
| 08:06:21 | <Cloud_> | Stay away from the red carpet everyone! |
| 08:07:07 | <cerealtom> | "hugh glaser has 20-something URIs for himself" |
| 08:07:12 | <CaptSolo> | re. Fenfire - what i should have mentioned is plans for remote publishing of RDF edits |
| 08:07:41 | <cerealtom> | "author disambiguation a long standing issue" |
| 08:07:42 | <CaptSolo> | currently it only saves locally, which is not web-editing enought |
| 08:08:39 | <CaptSolo> | there are things which need to be extended in Fenfire, and it would be great to hear what are your suggestions and wishes |
| 08:09:31 | <CaptSolo> | DBLP author disambiguation |
| 08:09:53 | <CaptSolo> | disambiguated by looking at homepage, web publication, search engine results, ... |
| 08:10:04 | <CaptSolo> | "it' s all about identity" |
| 08:10:13 | <CaptSolo> | ACTION takes over scribing |
| 08:10:51 | <CaptSolo> | shows ambuguity in DBLP |
| 08:10:54 | <cerealtom> | CaptSolo++ |
| 08:11:04 | <CaptSolo> | that different persons are conflated under one author URI on DBLP |
| 08:11:26 | <CaptSolo> | 92% of authors with commo names had publications incorrectly merged |
| 08:11:34 | <CaptSolo> | worst case - 15 diff authors with 1 uri |
| 08:12:03 | <CaptSolo> | many authors who are the same have publications under different names |
| 08:12:08 | <CaptSolo> | owl:sameAs does not help here |
| 08:12:25 | <CaptSolo> | DBPedia 3.0 improves disambiguation management |
| 08:12:36 | <CaptSolo> | by including 'disambiguates' proeprty |
| 08:12:43 | <CaptSolo> | owl:sameAs linkage still inconsistent |
| 08:12:54 | <CaptSolo> | = Possible solutions = |
| 08:13:14 | <CaptSolo> | use CRS: Consistent Reference Service |
| 08:13:25 | <CaptSolo> | group similar URIs into bundles |
| 08:13:34 | <CaptSolo> | = summary = |
| 08:13:47 | <CaptSolo> | linked data providers need to think about data consistency |
| 08:14:26 | <CaptSolo> | network effect of linked data means conference needs to be even more managed than the Web of Data |
| 08:14:45 | <CaptSolo> | ChrisB: if you have a better algorith for improving our linked data... |
| 08:14:50 | <CaptSolo> | let us know |
| 08:15:08 | <CaptSolo> | ChrisB: owl:sameAs is a best effort |
| 08:15:28 | <CaptSolo> | ... if we try not to use it whenever we cannot be sure we will never write anything |
| 08:15:44 | <CaptSolo> | Answer: for linked data we could come up with something better |
| 08:16:15 | <CaptSolo> | TimBL: was DBPedia using owl:sameAs when Wikipedia was describing 2 different things? |
| 08:16:39 | <CaptSolo> | can someone type ChriB's answer can't hear it here |
| 08:17:36 | <CaptSolo> | owl:sameAs as a best effort - if you get 99% of cases right, you can tolerate some noise (incorrect conflating, ...) |
| 08:18:11 | <CaptSolo> | may need some trust architecture |
| 08:18:26 | <CaptSolo> | TimBL: or use a human assisted disambiguation service |
| 08:19:31 | <CaptSolo> | re. trust architecture - if you are using reasoner, use trust architecture to throw the "unsure" assertions out |
| 08:20:03 | <timbl> | ACTION suggests for rkbexplorer.com, that <http://www.aktors.org/ontology/portal#full-name> be declared a subproperty of rdfs:label |
| 08:20:05 | <CaptSolo> | Kinsley: it' s about the context when dealing with linked data |
| 08:20:53 | <CaptSolo> | Kingsley: UMBEL is the answer |
| 08:20:59 | <CaptSolo> | next up: |
| 08:21:34 | <CaptSolo> | "Linked Data Spaces & Data Portability" |
| 08:21:49 | <CaptSolo> | kingsley: before leaving the conference everyone in this room should have a URI |
| 08:22:12 | <CaptSolo> | talk / paper by |
| 08:22:14 | <CaptSolo> | Kingsley Idehen and Orri Erling |
| 08:22:51 | <CaptSolo> | people begin to realize data is held in silos that they do not have control over |
| 08:22:59 | <CaptSolo> | intro to data portability |
| 08:23:15 | <CaptSolo> | aspects of DP: |
| 08:23:26 | <CaptSolo> | - data mobility via standard formats |
| 08:23:29 | <CaptSolo> | import/export |
| 08:23:36 | <CaptSolo> | - data access by reference |
| 08:23:44 | <CaptSolo> | (linked data / WODBC) |
| 08:23:51 | <CaptSolo> | RDFizers/drivers |
| 08:24:03 | <CaptSolo> | declarative mappers (e.g. Rdb to RDF) |
| 08:25:45 | <CaptSolo> | Your data belongs to you! |
| 08:25:48 | <CaptSolo> | information overload |
| 08:26:11 | <CaptSolo> | rise of real-time enterprises and individuals |
| 08:26:27 | <CaptSolo> | 2 all: if you notice omissions in the transcript, please add to it |
| 08:26:42 | <CaptSolo> | - identity and data meshing (silo-busting) |
| 08:27:03 | <CaptSolo> | use .name domains for minting individual URIs / entity IDs |
| 08:27:23 | <CaptSolo> | platforms that generate Web Data associated with individual identity |
| 08:27:35 | <CaptSolo> | such platforms would: |
| 08:27:41 | <CaptSolo> | - handle .name registration |
| 08:27:53 | <CaptSolo> | "i suggest you use this name, let me create it for you" |
| 08:27:57 | <CaptSolo> | - DNS config |
| 08:28:15 | <CaptSolo> | - leverage shared vocabs and ontologies (FOAF, SIOC, and others) |
| 08:28:21 | <CaptSolo> | - deploy linked data |
| 08:28:38 | <CaptSolo> | a colorful "My Data Spaces" slide |
| 08:28:50 | <CaptSolo> | -> my personal identity |
| 08:29:10 | <CaptSolo> | -> whatever i want to be available publicly should be available via my public |
| 08:29:11 | <CaptSolo> | id |
| 08:29:39 | <CaptSolo> | -> whatever i want to make av. internally, link o local id |
| 08:30:00 | <CaptSolo> | SIOC generic / high-level classes |
| 08:30:17 | <CaptSolo> | - sioc:Space, Container, Item |
| 08:30:21 | <mmmmmrob> | ODS - Open Linked Data Spaces |
| 08:30:29 | <CaptSolo> | - and more specific subclasses in SIOC Types |
| 08:30:46 | <CaptSolo> | it's a project started in (?) 2000 |
| 08:30:55 | <CaptSolo> | a live demo |
| 08:31:04 | <mmmmmrob> | http://community.linkeddata.org/datapsace/person/ghard |
| 08:31:19 | <CaptSolo> | to see how my data spaces are hosted on community.linkeddata.org |
| 08:31:33 | <mmmmmrob> | http://community.linkeddata.org/dataspace/person/kidehen2 |
| 08:32:11 | <CaptSolo> | showing Kingsley's data space |
| 08:32:23 | <CaptSolo> | photo, ... |
| 08:32:26 | <CaptSolo> | connections |
| 08:32:44 | <CaptSolo> | looking at the personal profile |
| 08:32:53 | <CaptSolo> | foaf:knows links |
| 08:33:03 | <CaptSolo> | other properties |
| 08:33:12 | <CaptSolo> | kingsley foaf:made ... |
| 08:33:20 | <CaptSolo> | ... e.g., a Briefcase |
| 08:33:43 | <CaptSolo> | showing same data viewed via WebDAV |
| 08:34:04 | <CaptSolo> | a briefcase contains documents, etc. i guess |
| 08:34:25 | <CaptSolo> | an activity stream |
| 08:34:38 | <mmmmmrob> | http://community.linkeddata.org/DAV/home/kidehen2/ |
| 08:34:42 | <CaptSolo> | entries like "Kingsley and Yves are now connected" |
| 08:35:03 | <CaptSolo> | going to Yves' data space / profile |
| 08:35:11 | <CaptSolo> | owl:sameAs moustaki |
| 08:35:15 | <CaptSolo> | following the link |
| 08:36:50 | <CaptSolo> | ODS is an application |
| 08:37:07 | <CaptSolo> | to take all your web 2.0 data, all web 1.0 data and tie it to your URIs |
| 08:37:23 | <CaptSolo> | = Questions? = |
| 08:37:40 | <CaptSolo> | typical problem |
| 08:37:51 | <CaptSolo> | - been blogging on wordpress and now want to move somewhere else |
| 08:38:15 | <CaptSolo> | - linked data allows you to set up a new blog and reference / link to what you already have |
| 08:38:52 | <CaptSolo> | showibng Kingsley's interests |
| 08:38:57 | <CaptSolo> | - Linked Data |
| 08:39:20 | <CaptSolo> | - following the link, goes to LinkedData, (from DBPedia?) |
| 08:39:29 | <CaptSolo> | you are navigating the data all in one place |
| 08:39:54 | <CaptSolo> | cerealtom: at what point does Linked Data become a primary subject of this UI |
| 08:39:56 | <CaptSolo> | ? |
| 08:40:10 | <CaptSolo> | (as Kinglsey' s profile / photo is still on screen) |
| 08:40:19 | <yvesr> | ACTION feels ashamed |
| 08:40:38 | <CaptSolo> | "if you clikc on Beijing, would it become primary topic of this screen?" |
| 08:40:42 | <yvesr> | first the buggy sound, now my URI doesnt dereference becasue of a dead server :) |
| 08:41:11 | <CaptSolo> | yvesr: just relax, it's your birthday |
| 08:41:18 | <CaptSolo> | who worries about servers? |
| 08:41:23 | <CaptSolo> | :) |
| 08:42:14 | <yvesr> | heh :-) |
| 08:42:18 | <CaptSolo> | Kinglsey: in the end we want to be able to send a query and find out what everyone is saying about me, ... |
| 08:42:32 | <CaptSolo> | Q: are you offering just another way to host RDF? |
| 08:42:59 | <CaptSolo> | Answ. - no. that is optional |
| 08:43:21 | <CaptSolo> | it has created an RDF view of all your web[2.0] content |
| 08:43:27 | <CaptSolo> | --- next talk |
| 08:43:51 | <CaptSolo> | Linking Enterprise Data |
| 08:44:11 | <CaptSolo> | by François-Paul Servant from Renault |
| 08:44:45 | <CaptSolo> | integration of data sources in a corporation - expensive |
| 08:44:50 | <CaptSolo> | SW tech can help |
| 08:45:03 | <CaptSolo> | the adoption remains slow, though |
| 08:45:43 | <CaptSolo> | LOD = a major contribution to making the Web of Data a reality |
| 08:45:57 | <CaptSolo> | why not try the same strategy in an enterprise |
| 08:45:58 | <CaptSolo> | ? |
| 08:46:22 | <CaptSolo> | > envisioning company's ISs as a space of linked data |
| 08:46:56 | <CaptSolo> | linked data provide effective solutions to questions of priority to Renault for ISs: |
| 08:47:03 | <CaptSolo> | - data repositories |
| 08:47:05 | <CaptSolo> | - services |
| 08:49:26 | <CaptSolo> | use case: tecnical after-sales docs |
| 08:49:41 | <CaptSolo> | - many objects need to be shared between many systems |
| 08:49:47 | <CaptSolo> | > the repository |
| 08:49:57 | <CaptSolo> | - a dictionary of terms that doc writers may use |
| 08:50:10 | <CaptSolo> | - content |
| 08:50:47 | <CaptSolo> | for each term: a code, labels (20 languages), list of corresponding "generic parts" (link b/w repair docs and spare parts catalogs) |
| 08:50:58 | <CaptSolo> | a SKOS-like hierarchy of terms |
| 08:52:04 | <Cloud_> | is kingsley still there? i think he is to give a talk to ac mtg |
| 08:52:24 | <CaptSolo> | implementing linked data principles |
| 08:52:34 | <CaptSolo> | - mintings URIs for iterms in repository |
| 08:52:40 | <CaptSolo> | Cloud_: yes |
| 08:52:48 | <CaptSolo> | - non-information resources |
| 08:53:03 | <CaptSolo> | Answering requests for the RDF about NIRs |
| 08:53:19 | <CaptSolo> | Answering requests for the HTML about NIRs |
| 08:53:30 | <CaptSolo> | - several options for HTML generation |
| 08:53:42 | <CaptSolo> | Client-side generation of HTML |
| 08:54:05 | <CaptSolo> | - a patch for Tabulator's parser made (to make it work with IE) |
| 08:55:12 | <CaptSolo> | Turning the solution into a simple, yet generic RDF browser |
| 08:55:20 | <Cloud_> | kidehen: are you giving a lightning talk? |
| 08:55:27 | <CaptSolo> | - semalink page about a tag |
| 08:55:39 | <CaptSolo> | - same resource described in RDF browser |
| 08:55:43 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: kinda |
| 08:55:49 | <Cloud_> | kidehen: two more talks left if you can make it here |
| 08:55:55 | <CaptSolo> | The repository, as linked data, is a servic |
| 08:55:58 | <kidehen> | I can send you a link |
| 08:56:04 | <kidehen> | to share with them :-) |
| 08:56:07 | <CaptSolo> | - no dedicated software is needed to understand / work with data |
| 08:56:14 | <CaptSolo> | - as generic parsers do the work |
| 08:56:28 | <CaptSolo> | a "Car configurator" screenshot |
| 08:57:09 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: please play: http://community.linkeddata.org/DAV/home/kidehen2/Public/URI%20Everything%20final.mp3 |
| 08:57:28 | <CaptSolo> | Use of the repository for technical documentation |
| 08:57:47 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: a remix of You are Everything is You as: URI Everything and Everything is Cool |
| 08:57:48 | <CaptSolo> | -dereference e.g., a gearbox |
| 08:57:58 | <CaptSolo> | - see all that references it |
| 08:58:14 | <CaptSolo> | but that is not enough for the after-sale documentation |
| 08:58:26 | <ghard> | This one has no id3tag on it... hmmh... |
| 08:58:30 | <CaptSolo> | > Current limitations of linked data principles |
| 08:58:30 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: you could click through this PPT while the song plays: http://community.linkeddata.org/DAV/home/kidehen2/Public/DataPortability_and_DataSpaces.ppt |
| 08:58:52 | <ghard> | The Band is called trplX feat. The Entailments |
| 08:58:58 | <CaptSolo> | - attached to each documents there is "applicability" |
| 08:59:18 | <CaptSolo> | -- a boolean formula with characteristics of a car that defines what cars this documents is relevant to |
| 08:59:37 | <CaptSolo> | - a form is needed |
| 08:59:39 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: I am still in important LOD workshop sessions |
| 08:59:57 | <CaptSolo> | forms are important feature of the web. also needed for the web of data |
| 09:01:04 | <Cloud_> | kidehen: NP - I pasted URLs on the chat channel, but no answer |
| 09:01:07 | <CaptSolo> | Conclusion |
| 09:01:20 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: huh? |
| 09:01:31 | <CaptSolo> | - the question of about of data to return when fetching data about a NIR |
| 09:01:46 | <CaptSolo> | (or rather - how much data to display) |
| 09:01:56 | <CaptSolo> | q- what did users think of this |
| 09:02:04 | <CaptSolo> | a- it is not in production yet |
| 09:02:15 | <CaptSolo> | but will be as soon as tech docs will be published this way |
| 09:02:25 | <CaptSolo> | who's asking? |
| 09:03:38 | <CaptSolo> | it is starting really slowly |
| 09:03:59 | <CaptSolo> | q- 10 years old story - when nobody agreed to introduce wikis in corporate environment. |
| 09:04:14 | <CaptSolo> | now we have wikipedia and corporations are happy to use wikis inside |
| 09:04:32 | <CaptSolo> | do you think there will be a 10 year gap to introduce SemWeb in enterprises too? |
| 09:04:34 | <Cloud_> | kidehen: No they won't do the talk without you here |
| 09:04:58 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: is anyone there? Paolo is also here at the LOD session |
| 09:05:09 | <CaptSolo> | a- maybe i will have external help because EU made a directive that you have to provide technical documentation to the public |
| 09:05:16 | <Cloud_> | yes the other three have spoken |
| 09:05:20 | <Cloud_> | on the last one now... |
| 09:05:25 | <CaptSolo> | and specifically says you should use RDF |
| 09:05:27 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: I could pop over, but are they waiting? |
| 09:05:35 | <CaptSolo> | maybe with such help it will happen sooner |
| 09:05:49 | <CaptSolo> | hope it will start in the years coming |
| 09:06:00 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: it will take me about 3 mins to get there :-) |
| 09:06:03 | <CaptSolo> | can someone point to info re. that directive ? |
| 09:06:10 | <CaptSolo> | --- |
| 09:06:12 | <CaptSolo> | next up: |
| 09:06:27 | <CaptSolo> | Meaning Of A Tag: A collaborative approach to bridge the gap between tagging and Linked Data |
| 09:06:34 | <CaptSolo> | problems: |
| 09:06:38 | <CaptSolo> | - tag ambiguity |
| 09:06:56 | <Cloud_> | kidehen: no it's over now, no worries |
| 09:06:59 | <CaptSolo> | talk by terraces aka Alexandre Passant |
| 09:07:03 | <kidehen> | Cloud_: k |
| 09:07:17 | <CaptSolo> | - heterogeneity |
| 09:07:22 | <CaptSolo> | - lack of organisation |
| 09:07:52 | <CaptSolo> | Adam Mathes 2004 quote re. folksonomy (as both best and worst in info organization) |
| 09:08:03 | <CaptSolo> | > tags lack semantics |
| 09:08:19 | <CaptSolo> | - computers do not know what users had in mind when tagging |
| 09:08:56 | <CaptSolo> | related work - SCOT, Tag ontology |
| 09:09:08 | <CaptSolo> | but what about the _meaning_ of tags? |
| 09:09:29 | <CaptSolo> | that's what MOAT is about |
| 09:09:51 | <CaptSolo> | http://moat-project.org/ |
| 09:10:08 | <CaptSolo> | moat |
| 09:10:41 | <CaptSolo> | - an ontology to provide global and local meaning of a tag in a machine-readable form |
| 09:11:22 | <CaptSolo> | defining meanings |
| 09:11:39 | <CaptSolo> | - using URIs of existing resources from the LOD dataset |
| 09:11:50 | <CaptSolo> | MOAT models tags and meanings |
| 09:12:14 | <CaptSolo> | extends the Tag ontology, currently working on mapping it to SCOT |
| 09:12:55 | <CaptSolo> | global meaning relies on FOAF for the user aspect |
| 09:13:10 | <CaptSolo> | - there should be at least one Person who has asserted / defined this meaning of the tag |
| 09:13:25 | <CaptSolo> | MOAT ontology diagram |
| 09:14:14 | <CaptSolo> | an RDF data example |
| 09:14:31 | <CaptSolo> | creating linked data from tagging |
| 09:15:11 | <CaptSolo> | - it is a collaborative and decentralized approach |
| 09:15:33 | <CaptSolo> | - a client-server approach |
| 09:15:51 | <CaptSolo> | -- people subscribe to a MOAT server and install a client or tagging software |
| 09:16:15 | <CaptSolo> | - - when people create tagged content, client queries the server for tag meanings |
| 09:16:55 | <CaptSolo> | architecture diagram: http://moat-project.org/architecture |
| 09:17:13 | <CaptSolo> | REST-ful interface |
| 09:17:42 | <CaptSolo> | - content negotiation and also URIs for direct access to RDF and JSON output |
| 09:18:10 | <CaptSolo> | update tag descriptions by sending RDF file with TagMeaning instance(s) to the server |
| 09:18:22 | <CaptSolo> | > technical info |
| 09:18:45 | <CaptSolo> | - server - PHP5, with plugged in RDF stores |
| 09:19:17 | <CaptSolo> | - clients - Drupal featurng Sindice interaction (helps users find new URIs), OpenLink Virtuoso |
| 09:19:25 | <CaptSolo> | open source |
| 09:19:40 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: he should have said: OpenLink Data Spaces :-) |
| 09:19:59 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: It's integrated into SIOC, SCOT, and SKOS within ODS |
| 09:20:12 | <CaptSolo> | kidehen: :) |
| 09:20:33 | <CaptSolo> | new ways to interlink RDF |
| 09:20:47 | <CaptSolo> | - by linking tagged contect to URIs provides new ways to connect this content |
| 09:20:56 | <CaptSolo> | - helps SIOC to enter the Linked Data Web |
| 09:21:28 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: It brings Web 2.0 Tags into the Linked Data Web via SIOC :-) |
| 09:21:45 | <CaptSolo> | can use sioc:topic to liink Item to a URI directly, w/o proxy of a Tagging object |
| 09:22:15 | <CaptSolo> | kidehen: indeed. nice work. |
| 09:22:45 | <CaptSolo> | q- i guess you could grab the whole wikipedia and model the disambiguation |
| 09:22:59 | <CaptSolo> | a- have not worked on automatic disambiguation |
| 09:23:17 | <CaptSolo> | but could havea MOAT-server to suggest disambiguation for Wikipedia keywords |
| 09:23:32 | <mmmmmrob> | photos of the day: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmmmmrob/tags/ldow2008/ |
| 09:23:54 | <mmmmmrob> | please tag with nicks, foaf URIs and real names |
| 09:24:03 | <CaptSolo> | kidehen: could you summarise your comment/question? |
| 09:24:10 | <CaptSolo> | a part of it was aquestion if there is a live demo |
| 09:24:20 | <CaptSolo> | --- |
| 09:24:24 | <CaptSolo> | final talk: |
| 09:24:42 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: all the loose and sloppy tags get enhanced |
| 09:24:44 | <mmmmmrob> | a lot of talk on namng and disambiguation today |
| 09:25:04 | <CaptSolo> | An Entity Name System for Linking Semantic Web Data |
| 09:25:18 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: no Semweb vs folksonomy wars, they continue to do the ad hoc tagging and systems like ODS will bind the Tags to URIs |
| 09:25:20 | <CaptSolo> | by Paolo Bouquet, Heiko Stoermer, Daniele Cordioli and Giovanni Tummarello |
| 09:25:27 | <CaptSolo> | Paolo is presenting |
| 09:25:43 | <CaptSolo> | > ordinary day on the web |
| 09:26:37 | <CaptSolo> | example, references o Beijing are "hiddn" behind different names, uris, ... |
| 09:27:16 | <CaptSolo> | we can not do simple integration of RDF via simple graph merging |
| 09:27:30 | <CaptSolo> | reasoning required mapping in advance |
| 09:27:48 | <CaptSolo> | can't do linking multimedia (and web2.0) content to RDF content |
| 09:28:06 | <CaptSolo> | (well - you can - with SIOC and SIOC Types) |
| 09:28:25 | <CaptSolo> | getting best from busin. intelligence / web mining apps. |
| 09:28:26 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: Remember the problem with DBpedia and "Welsh" ? |
| 09:28:37 | <CaptSolo> | multimedia search |
| 09:28:47 | <CaptSolo> | kidehen: what is the relevance? |
| 09:28:51 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: UMBEL answer: http://umbel.zitgist.com/explorer.php?concept=EthnicGroupOfWelsh |
| 09:28:55 | <CaptSolo> | > what we can do? |
| 09:29:11 | <kidehen> | CaptSolo: goes back to session by Southamption Univ. re. abuse of owl:sameAs |
| 09:29:13 | <CaptSolo> | OKKAM project aims at developing an Entity Name System for the [Semantic] Web |
| 09:29:22 | <CaptSolo> | EU-funded project |
| 09:30:34 | <CaptSolo> | > how does this work |
| 09:30:47 | <CaptSolo> | global distributed sotrage of billions of URIs |
| 09:31:03 | <CaptSolo> | entity matching for finding entity's URIs |
| 09:31:18 | <CaptSolo> | global and decentralised system |
| 09:31:29 | <CaptSolo> | - a lot of public "OKKAM" nodes |
| 09:31:45 | <CaptSolo> | - local "corporate" nodes for non-public data |
| 09:32:30 | <CaptSolo> | > ERS (entity representation schema |
| 09:32:53 | <CaptSolo> | - repository stores existing URIs + a representation of the corresponding real world entity |
| 09:33:15 | <CaptSolo> | is meant only for maximising the change of getting matching right |
| 09:33:22 | <CaptSolo> | (like a phone directory) |
| 09:33:44 | <CaptSolo> | min. 4 elements in OKKAM representation ofan entity |
| 09:33:58 | <CaptSolo> | > ERS: entity profiles |
| 09:34:05 | <CaptSolo> | main elements: |
| 09:34:18 | <CaptSolo> | - a semantic type (only a small number of high lvl categories) |
| 09:34:25 | <CaptSolo> | - collection of name/value pairs |
| 09:34:41 | <CaptSolo> | - collection of typed links to external resources which refer to that entity |
| 09:35:19 | <CaptSolo> | ERS: entity metadata |
| 09:35:35 | <CaptSolo> | - general, statistics, provenance, access contorl metadata |
| 09:35:43 | <CaptSolo> | "access contorl - it is a big mess" |
| 09:35:52 | <CaptSolo> | ERS: alternative URIs |
| 09:36:06 | <CaptSolo> | - collection of alternative URIs for the same real world entity |
| 09:36:15 | <CaptSolo> | - one can be marked as preferred |
| 09:36:31 | <CaptSolo> | and can always be returned instead of internal ENS URI |
| 09:36:45 | <CaptSolo> | dereferencing alternative URIs can provide additional data to help matching |
| 09:36:54 | <CaptSolo> | = Entity matching = |
| 09:37:00 | <mmmmmrob> | so, it seems we need to make clearer the difference between a necessary and an unnecessary URI alias? |
| 09:37:03 | <CaptSolo> | related to well-known problems |
| 09:37:08 | <CaptSolo> | basic use case |
| 09:37:28 | <CaptSolo> | - build a query based on key/attribute pairs |
| 09:37:43 | <CaptSolo> | ranked list is returned |
| 09:37:56 | <CaptSolo> | (based on similarity measures and stats on social use of the ENS) |
| 09:38:15 | <CaptSolo> | = ENS -enabled tools = |
| 09:38:28 | <CaptSolo> | content tools extended to interact with ENS |
| 09:38:43 | <CaptSolo> | tools you use should be able to interact with ENS |
| 09:38:48 | <CaptSolo> | prototypes: |
| 09:38:51 | <CaptSolo> | - FOAF-a-matic |
| 09:38:55 | <CaptSolo> | - ... |
| 09:39:05 | <CaptSolo> | = ENS and Linked Data = |
| 09:40:21 | <CaptSolo> | linked data a fantastic source of name/value pairs for building entity profiles in the ENS |
| 09:40:41 | <CaptSolo> | ENS can be used by Linked Data tools |
| 09:40:44 | <CaptSolo> | extension to non-RDF content |
| 09:42:15 | <CaptSolo> | ENS based on the idea that, in general, having multiple URIs for the same thing is a bug, not a feature |
| 09:42:34 | <CaptSolo> | using billions of ol:sameAs will become impractical |
| 09:43:16 | <CaptSolo> | Linked Data methods do not support well the creation of new URIs |
| 09:44:03 | <CaptSolo> | - what do you do to give person a URI? |
| 09:44:11 | <CaptSolo> | - create a FOAF file for them? |
| 09:44:19 | <CaptSolo> | - what if they don't want a FOAF file? |
| 09:44:25 | <CaptSolo> | = conclusion = |
| 09:44:54 | <CaptSolo> | should aim for synergies |
| 09:45:04 | <CaptSolo> | of different tools/approaches |
| 09:47:03 | <CaptSolo> | Chris: both approaches are complimentary |
| 09:47:20 | <CaptSolo> | when expressing different opinions about different things people may want to use different URIs |
| 09:48:03 | <CaptSolo> | last slide: an extraordinary day on the Web |
| 09:48:22 | <CaptSolo> | with all the things given www.okkam.org/entity/GUID type URIs |
| 09:49:10 | <CaptSolo> | can someone scribe the discussion? |
| 09:49:27 | <CaptSolo> | - and summarise the discussion that was right now. |
| 09:49:33 | <CaptSolo> | might have missed some details |
| 09:50:13 | <tuukkah> | is the document linked to by that uri supposed to have some content? |
| 09:51:13 | <CaptSolo> | dunno |
| 09:51:21 | <CaptSolo> | will be interesting to see ho this develops |
| 09:51:39 | <mmmmmrob> | tuukkah: nope, you;d have to replace "GUID" with a real guid |
| 09:51:49 | <CaptSolo> | esp. interesting that this is worked on as an EU-project (so someone understands the importance of such a project) |
| 09:52:25 | <tuukkah> | mmmmmrob, oh it was a template. but it gave 200 OK =) |
| 09:53:03 | <CaptSolo> | - http://www.okkam.org/entity/ok78dfda18-2c96-45a5-a7e5-9093ed919424 |
| 09:53:24 | <CaptSolo> | but quite possibly it does not return anything yet as this is work in progress |
| 09:53:45 | <CaptSolo> | tuukkah: Giovanni is a part of this project, can inquire him for details |
| 09:54:08 | <tuukkah> | that does return some data for Beijing :-) |
| 09:54:48 | <CaptSolo> | q- why do you need anything more than a URI? |
| 09:55:47 | <CaptSolo> | "i am saying its a phonebook where all names look the same. and if i want to find what the name is we look up the URI / call the telephone number" |
| 09:57:24 | <CaptSolo> | question / discussion was by Mike Harris |
| 09:58:25 | <CaptSolo> | re. phone book - that is what the linked data i about |
| 09:58:38 | <CaptSolo> | you do not want to mirror / collect all the data |
| 09:59:04 | <CaptSolo> | q- (AlexP) thinking of using a top-level ontology? |
| 09:59:09 | <CaptSolo> | are in talks with Cyc |
| 10:00:10 | <kidehen> | Captsolo: He needs UMBEL http://umbel.zitgist.com/ or http://umbel.zitgist.com/find_label.php |
| 10:01:29 | <mmmmmrob> | CaptSolo is looking for someone to take over scribing |
| 10:01:37 | <mmmmmrob> | ideally someone who can still listen |
| 10:01:41 | <CaptSolo> | ACTION too jet-lagged |
| 10:01:41 | <mmmmmrob> | any volunteers? |
| 10:04:08 | <CaptSolo> | Kinglsley: need replication, resilience |
| 10:04:39 | <CaptSolo> | yves: 3rd party service to provide sameAs links |
| 10:05:04 | <CaptSolo> | 1st step: provide a guess and do some ranking |
| 10:05:21 | <CaptSolo> | 2nd step: fetch a lot of data from original sources and do some reasoning |
| 10:05:28 | <CaptSolo> | - though concerned about efficiency |
| 10:05:40 | <CaptSolo> | mmmmmrob: you talked about DNS |
| 10:05:58 | <CaptSolo> | which provides enormous resilience and it has federated control |
| 10:06:04 | <CaptSolo> | via hierarchical naming |
| 10:06:27 | <CaptSolo> | q- you do not have hierarchy in naming, so you can not distribute lookup |
| 10:06:47 | <CaptSolo> | (this is a question / comment from mmmmmrob ) |
| 10:08:03 | <CaptSolo> | Chris: the way it can / will work is decentralised publication and centralised search |
| 10:08:59 | <CaptSolo> | kidehen: what about the internet archive? are you talking with them? |
| 10:10:03 | <CaptSolo> | ACTION offline |
| 10:15:19 | <ghard> | Where's the URI for the bar? |
| 10:17:37 | <danieljohnlewis> | http://www.opendd.net/ |
| 10:17:53 | <danieljohnlewis> | Y: "Open Data Definition" is trying to be SIOC |
| 10:18:48 | <danieljohnlewis> | Y: Does anyone have an opinion on this? I've blogged my initial response: http://vanirsystems.com/danielsblog/2008/04/22/open-data-definition/ |
| 10:20:15 | <CaptSolo> | sorry that was Hugh Glaser who asked the queston, not Mike Harris |
| 10:22:31 | <danieljohnlewis> | ah, you're all at Beijing aren't you? Oh well, if you get a chance to look at the opendd then do... I think it will probably die because SIOC is so much more integratabe |
| 10:24:58 | <ghard> | danieljohnlewis: not much info on what this actually is. No idea what the language or vocabulary would be. Or have you off-band nfo on the project? |
| 10:26:16 | <tuukkah> | is this post all? http://groups.google.com/group/open-data-definition/browse_thread/thread/6b44a4ea587d991d |
| 10:26:59 | <danieljohnlewis> | ghard: The creator will be at an event I am going to this evening, so I will ask him more... but I don't think its explicitly Semantic based |
| 10:27:18 | <tuukkah> | xml vs. rdf, uuid vs. uri etc. |
| 10:27:19 | <danieljohnlewis> | ghard: He actually works for my old employers (Curverider).... which is interesting to note |
| 10:27:21 | <ghard> | I guess if you want to know more you'd need to look at http://www.elgg.org/ as it's been listed as adopter byt opendd.net has no spec to DL |
| 10:28:27 | <tuukkah> | actually, based on that post, it's more like reinventing rdf |
| 10:29:10 | <ghard> | Bibende necessum est. or something similar... |
| 10:29:17 | <danieljohnlewis> | tuukkah: you might be right |
| 10:29:25 | <ghard> | I'm off to the nearest beer tap. |
| 10:29:57 | <danieljohnlewis> | Y: more detail about odd: http://groups.google.com/group/open-data-definition/browse_thread/thread/6b44a4ea587d991d |
| 10:32:00 | <tuukkah> | "The UUID is a URL which must point to an ODD representation of the thing it represents." linked data \o/ |
| 10:33:48 | <danieljohnlewis> | tuukkah: OK, I'll change "I will ask him more" to "I will interrogate him" |
| 10:35:23 | <tuukkah> | danieljohnlewis, i might rather suggest introducing him to linked data from his current point of view |
| 10:35:37 | <kodemaniak> | window list |
| 10:35:50 | <danieljohnlewis> | yes, certainly will |
| 10:40:47 | <Cloud_> | well elgg is fairly well used so that's a good adopter for opendd |
| 10:40:50 | <Cloud_> | ACTION looks at it |
| 10:42:08 | <danja__> | phenny, tell danbri http://agileapproach.com/blog-entry/calais-module-drupal-released |
| 10:42:08 | <phenny> | danja__: I'll pass that on when danbri is around. |
| 10:55:16 | <kidehen_> | phenny, tell CaptSolo: they are interested in collaborating with the Linked Data community etc.. |
| 10:55:17 | <phenny> | kidehen_: I'll pass that on when CaptSolo is around. |
| 14:47:24 | <danieljohnlewis> | tuukkah, danja & ghard: I just had notification that the ODD spec has been released |
| 14:47:37 | <danieljohnlewis> | tis here: http://www.opendd.net/resources/ODD_SpecV1(draft).pdf |
| 15:03:29 | <danja> | danieljohnlewis, thanks |
| 15:03:41 | <danja> | ACTION has no time now to comment - slides to do |
| 15:04:25 | <danja> | ACTION still curious to know what an ODD representation of a person looks like |
| 15:07:58 | <danja> | danieljohnlewis, I don't know why they didn't just use a "profile" of rdf, like doap |
| 16:16:58 | <Gravel> | quit |
| 18:12:44 | <bengee> | oh, bblfish: |
| 18:12:57 | <bengee> | .g openid http authentication |
| 18:12:58 | <phenny> | bengee: http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-1_1.html |
| 18:13:21 | <bengee> | hmm, no, that's not the one |
| 18:13:55 | <bengee> | that one: http://wiki.openid.net//OpenID_HTTP_Authentication |
| 18:15:38 | <bengee> | it doesn't mention a "login pointer", but (if I understood that correctly) lists a set of X-OpenID-Authenticate headers to auto-login |
| 18:17:32 | <bengee> | i.e. you (re-)request a protected resource (which advertises openid support via WWW-Authenticate: OpenID ) and send the openid URL |
| 18:19:59 | <bengee> | it's OpenID 2, though, I only have libs for OpenID 1, not sure how much changed |
| 18:26:53 | <bengee> | ACTION finds http://wiki.openid.net/OpenIDHTTPAuth for an 1.1 proposal |
| 18:47:54 | <bblfish> | bengee: thanks |
| 18:51:39 | <bengee> | that only solves the consumer part, though |
| 18:51:53 | <bengee> | but there seem to be cert-enabled IdPs, too |
| 18:52:32 | <bblfish> | yes, someone left a note with regard to that on my last blog post |
| 18:52:45 | <bblfish> | here: http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/foaf_ssl_creating_a_global |
| 18:53:32 | <bblfish> | why does that only solce the consumer part? |
| 18:54:27 | <bengee> | I think the OpenID HTTP Auth proposals don't really talk about logging into the IdP |
| 18:54:53 | <bengee> | they assume the client is an IdP, too, I think |
| 18:57:25 | <bblfish> | bengee: I'll look at that more carefully |
| 19:21:01 | <TedThibodeauJr> | bblfish - not sure what you're working on, but #openid often has clueful people (though they're often lurking silently for hours, as here) |
| 19:47:15 | <bblfish> | TedThibodeauJr: well I am going to be implementing http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish/entry/foaf_ssl_creating_a_global first, as it is cleaner |
| 19:47:56 | <TedThibodeauJr> | *nods* |
| 20:10:04 | <rmarkwhite> | bblfish i didnt mean that you had to login to your IdP to use their x509 cert |
| 20:10:23 | <rmarkwhite> | i was the one who made the comment on your blog bblfish |
| 20:12:00 | <rmarkwhite> | I just meant that since openid IdP's were providing x509 certs that was one way to get a x509 cert which had a openid as CN and perhaps they could add a foaf url to thier ASN. |
| 20:12:05 | <bblfish> | rmarkwhite: ah ok. I think it is interesting that openid providers are giving out x509 certs. I think both openid and foaf+ssl could work well together |
| 20:12:17 | <bblfish> | yes |
| 20:12:20 | <bblfish> | understood |
| 20:12:40 | <bblfish> | in fact in my example you will find that I have left openid info in the foaf file |
| 20:12:55 | <rmarkwhite> | yes and i liked that |
| 20:13:02 | <bblfish> | :-) |
| 20:13:42 | <rmarkwhite> | but elimanated the multiple http connections needed to implament the openid rdfauth solution |
| 20:16:05 | <rmarkwhite> | your https solution usies much less http connections |
| 20:16:30 | <bblfish> | yes, and it works seamlessly with https, really |
| 20:16:35 | <bblfish> | so there is very little to invent |
| 20:16:38 | <bblfish> | :-) |
| 20:16:44 | <bblfish> | quite surprising really |
| 20:17:04 | <bblfish> | in fact we are taking over x509 with rdf |
| 20:17:24 | <rmarkwhite> | i have been following this discussion carefully on foafdev and in your blog and several others |
| 20:18:09 | <rmarkwhite> | i am wondering if the wot ontology will be expanded to handle x509 terms |
| 20:18:24 | <bblfish> | danbri? |
| 20:18:39 | <rmarkwhite> | or will you or someone else create a new ontology |
| 20:18:45 | <rmarkwhite> | yes his and others |
| 20:19:01 | <bblfish> | I was just checking if he was here |
| 20:19:26 | <bblfish> | Mhh yes I think it should be easy to create such an ont, for someone in the know. Probably most pieces allready exist |
| 20:19:39 | <bblfish> | it would be fun to have an X509 GRDDL |
| 20:19:41 | <rmarkwhite> | peter's ruminations also contribute to the discussions |
| 20:20:01 | <bblfish> | peter? |
| 20:20:21 | <rmarkwhite> | Tying FOAF identity with the identity semantics of OpenID - v2.7 |
| 20:20:42 | <rmarkwhite> | he discusses you in his blog |
| 20:20:50 | <bblfish> | ah url? |
| 20:20:55 | <rmarkwhite> | not sure of his last name |
| 20:21:10 | <rmarkwhite> | http://yorkporc.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5061D4609325B60!212.entry?wa=wsignin1.0 |
| 20:21:59 | <rmarkwhite> | there is an ontology that deals with the despersed web conversations |
| 20:22:11 | <bblfish> | ouch that's a long blog :-) |
| 20:22:23 | <rmarkwhite> | i wish someone would use that to connect all of the discussions |
| 20:23:13 | <rmarkwhite> | i have to manually find all the links there needs to be a central place to connect all of the diverse information on this topic |
| 20:24:41 | <TedThibodeauJr> | TalkDigger was an attempt at that... |
| 20:24:54 | <rmarkwhite> | i happen to like the pgp version of rdfauth but recognize that it is unlikely as most people do not use pgp/gpg |
| 20:25:12 | <rmarkwhite> | pgp ties several of the issues together |
| 20:25:20 | <TedThibodeauJr> | all this silly "let's reinvent NNTP, but with no centralized structure!" blogosphere. hmph. |
| 20:26:15 | <rmarkwhite> | no i recongize the sillyness but have to read serveral lists, more blogs and irc logs to get alot of the infromation |
| 20:26:42 | <rmarkwhite> | i need to stay informed about this area |
| 20:27:42 | <TedThibodeauJr> | I'm in the same boat |
| 20:27:44 | <rmarkwhite> | now back to the pgp rdfauth solution pgp ties the foaf knows and the wot auth together |
| 20:28:24 | <bblfish> | I think that can be done with X509 just as well |
| 20:28:29 | <bblfish> | both are certificates |
| 20:28:41 | <bblfish> | they can be both GRDDLed into RDF |
| 20:28:44 | <rmarkwhite> | unfortunatly pgp is difficult to get people to use |
| 20:29:06 | <bblfish> | really what you need is public key /private key |
| 20:29:20 | <rmarkwhite> | i have used pgp since 97 but most of the people i would like to use it with will not use it |
| 20:29:22 | <bblfish> | and a link from you foaf id ot your public key, or its sig |
| 20:29:51 | <rmarkwhite> | yes in peters blog he discusses the wot athenation |
| 20:29:55 | <bblfish> | yes, I think it would be interesting to explore how much signing parties slowed down the adoption of pgp |
| 20:30:29 | <bblfish> | with rdf it could be much easier as you can link to people's files |
| 20:30:39 | <bblfish> | I mean to their public keys |
| 20:30:43 | <rmarkwhite> | i have use the wot ontology in my foaf to add my pgp key information |
| 20:31:06 | <bblfish> | so the web of trust in PGP is a great idea |
| 20:31:20 | <bblfish> | but with foaf we can get a web of trust that is easier to put together |
| 20:31:27 | <rmarkwhite> | and would be as good as foaf:knows to find our friends |
| 20:32:10 | <rmarkwhite> | i agree with that as i said most of my friends do not use pgp but i have added them to my foaf knows list |
| 20:32:54 | <rmarkwhite> | maybe someday the rdfauth can use multiple methods to find our "friends" |
| 20:33:14 | <rmarkwhite> | foaf and pgp |
| 20:34:30 | <rmarkwhite> | have you seen the secured distributed social network idea |
| 20:34:45 | <bblfish> | no |
| 20:35:24 | <rmarkwhite> | i will send you the link |
| 20:35:29 | <rmarkwhite> | brb |
| 20:35:32 | <bblfish> | thanks. |
| 20:36:55 | <rmarkwhite> | http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~thurston/fif/ |
| 20:37:10 | <rmarkwhite> | this has potental also |
| 20:37:29 | <rmarkwhite> | but getting everyone on board would be a problem |
| 20:37:53 | <rmarkwhite> | not everyone could host thier own identity |
| 20:38:45 | <rmarkwhite> | the fif idea elimates the need for the rdfauth |
| 20:41:47 | <rmarkwhite> | the fif idea is similar to indentoo but more secure |
| 20:41:51 | <bblfish> | rmarkwhite: thanks for the pointer. I'll have a look at it. |
| 20:42:10 | <rmarkwhite> | nice talking to you |
| 20:42:25 | <rmarkwhite> | i have enjoyed reading about your efforts for quite awhile now |
| 20:42:29 | <bblfish> | I'll be spending the next few days testing SSL+FOAF |
| 20:42:39 | <bblfish> | And will blog about the code when it is ready |
| 20:42:41 | <rmarkwhite> | keep up great work |
| 20:42:47 | <bblfish> | should be there in a few days... |
| 20:42:54 | <bblfish> | l8r |
| 20:42:55 | <rmarkwhite> | great thanks again for all you do |
| 20:44:23 | <rmarkwhite> | bblfish one last question |
| 20:44:33 | <rmarkwhite> | for you please sir |
| 20:44:40 | <bblfish> | ok |
| 20:44:51 | <rmarkwhite> | what do you think of the xoperator on xmpp |
| 20:45:08 | <rmarkwhite> | this also has a potental for doing what you are looking at |
| 20:45:25 | <bblfish> | xmpp is peer to peer |
| 20:45:32 | <bblfish> | so it is one level more complex |
| 20:45:44 | <bblfish> | I want to see how far I can get with REST and RDF |
| 20:45:44 | <rmarkwhite> | well have you looked at xoperator |
| 20:46:02 | <bblfish> | no not yet. Link? |
| 20:46:09 | <bblfish> | There are so many things out there to look at. |
| 20:46:13 | <rmarkwhite> | this sets up a agent that can search your foaf over xmpp |
| 20:46:29 | <bblfish> | ah, danbri might have shown bme that |
| 20:47:50 | <rmarkwhite> | http://blog.dbtune.org/post/2008/02/25/Playing-with-SPARQL-and-XMPP |
| 20:47:59 | <rmarkwhite> | yes i think he is looking at that |
| 20:48:59 | <rmarkwhite> | ok i have bothered you enough today thanks again for your time sir I look forward to watching your efforts in the future |
| 20:52:12 | <bblfish> | no problems |
| 20:52:29 | <bblfish> | btw, it's all open source so you can all particiapte |
| 20:52:33 | <bblfish> | :-) |
| 20:53:03 | <rmarkwhite> | i would do more if i could i am but a follower not a leader in these areas |
| 20:53:15 | <rmarkwhite> | alas i am not a programer |
| 20:53:37 | <rmarkwhite> | of any sort i am a counselor |
| 20:53:41 | <bblfish> | everyone can particiapte |
| 20:53:51 | <bblfish> | blogging is also participating |
| 20:54:13 | <rmarkwhite> | i work hard at trying out he need stuff i am an early adopter |
| 20:54:52 | <rmarkwhite> | i am just a wantabe IT guy lol |
| 20:55:06 | <rmarkwhite> | my expertise lies in other areas |
| 20:56:18 | <bblfish> | :-) ok got to go |
| 21:13:34 | <lordi> | http://pastebin.com/m34432def --- Pellet says, neither XY nor XNY is a type of x. Why is that? |
| 21:14:02 | <lordi> | AC:'ignorepls kthx' |
| 22:23:39 | <deltab> | Z:|Tying FOAF identity with the identity semantics of OpenID - v2.7 |
| 22:49:08 | <deltab> | U:=http://community.linkeddata.org/dataspace/person/ghard |
| 22:53:39 | <iand> | http://iandavis.com/2006/foaf-icons/ |
| 22:53:52 | <iand> | AD:|FOAF Images |
| 22:54:04 | <iand> | AD:Original ones in one place again |
| 22:54:40 | <iand> | AD:And clearly marked as public domain (I said it on a mailing list once) |
| 22:59:28 | <deltab> | X:|MOAT: Meaning Of A Tag |
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