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| 07:37:34 | <EtnaRosso> | morning all |
| 08:06:33 | <mhausenblas> | (sort of) good morning, Web of Data ;) |
| 08:06:33 | <mhausenblas> | long night. last day at ESWC09, in use track upcoming presentation on SCOVO. |
| 08:18:26 | <phrearch> | hi |
| 08:18:43 | <phrearch> | anyone knows if xul is still being used today? |
| 08:26:28 | <drewp> | i think http://celtx.com/ is actively using xul (and rdf!) |
| 08:27:22 | <phrearch> | yea, i noticed the connection between xul and rdf, but xul doesnt seem to be actively used :/ |
| 08:28:24 | <phrearch> | at least in the webdev community i dont find actual resources |
| 08:28:35 | <phrearch> | only < 2005 |
| 08:29:08 | <phrearch> | anyway, i think the xul/rdf combo may be pretty good |
| 08:29:20 | <phrearch> | really easy ui design |
| 08:29:43 | <drewp> | celtx seems to be doing new features, and they're in xul |
| 08:31:01 | <phrearch> | cool |
| 08:31:45 | <phrearch> | so, best is to create a ui with xul, data logics with some rest framework, and offer rdf output, which xul uses then? |
| 08:32:15 | <drewp> | well *i'm* not using xul, but yes that plan might work out in some applications |
| 08:33:46 | <phrearch> | any drawbacks with xul? |
| 08:34:07 | <drewp> | mozilla clients only? |
| 08:34:38 | <drewp> | some of its GUI tricks might already be outdone by plain js/dhtml systems, like extjs |
| 08:35:29 | <phrearch> | yea, i was using jquery before |
| 08:35:37 | <phrearch> | they had some nice widgets as well |
| 08:36:14 | <drewp> | i'm using jquery (not its ui part) right now. i still get surprised at how nice the API design is |
| 08:37:23 | <kwijibo> | there's an RDF XUL project listed in doap-store.org |
| 08:37:44 | <kwijibo> | uses data about ancient rome i think |
| 08:37:54 | <phrearch> | offline site? |
| 08:38:20 | <phrearch> | what i like about xul is that its xml based and simple to use |
| 08:38:37 | <phrearch> | like mxml for flex |
| 08:38:56 | <phrearch> | but then again, it looks like a windows 95 layout |
| 08:39:19 | <phrearch> | it can be styled though |
| 08:45:12 | <kwijibo> | hmm, can't find the project i mentioned |
| 08:45:16 | <kwijibo> | it was pretty old |
| 08:47:24 | <phrearch> | http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.huihoo.com%2Fjquery%2Fphp-xul-jquery.pdf&ei=B34nSvDmO47N-QaWkJ3RDw&usg=AFQjCNEDnnDrXaCGLulHTCnwDO0IABNJ9g&sig2=DkZScfxOBbu8ZoAoi1EsIg |
| 08:47:27 | <phrearch> | woops |
| 08:47:29 | <kwijibo> | ah, found the original domain http://www.the325project.org/ |
| 08:47:33 | <phrearch> | docs.huihoo.com/jquery/php-xul-jquery.pdf |
| 08:47:43 | <phrearch> | ok thanks |
| 08:47:45 | <kwijibo> | but seems to have been taken over by baddies |
| 08:48:11 | <phrearch> | yup, seems that way |
| 08:48:33 | <phrearch> | the link i pasted is from some guy who used jquery with xul |
| 09:08:08 | <kwijibo> | cygri++ for the sexiness of owl:sameAs :p |
| 09:11:12 | <gromgull> | anyone know where I can get a nice screenshot of talis aspire? |
| 09:11:12 | <gromgull> | or - alternative - is Chris Clarke here? |
| 09:15:05 | <kwijibo> | hi gromgull |
| 09:16:19 | <kwijibo> | ACTION is working on aspire |
| 09:16:22 | <kwijibo> | http://blogs.talis.com/aspire/ |
| 09:16:38 | <kwijibo> | there's screenshots in there |
| 09:17:03 | <kwijibo> | gromgull: is http://blogs.talis.com/aspire/2009/05/07/improvements-to-the-bookmarking-experience/ any good ? |
| 09:17:12 | <kwijibo> | what kind of screenshots are you after ? |
| 09:18:08 | <gromgull> | that's great - thanks! |
| 09:21:09 | <Pipian> | Hmm... Question for anyone out there... Any open-social-based photo-sharing servers? I mean, I could set up a flickr account but... |
| 09:24:00 | <Pipian> | ACTION is eternally paranoid about the cloud |
| 09:24:24 | <gromgull> | pipian : zooomr will let you use openid at least |
| 09:24:43 | <gromgull> | probably with good reason - but there is no hope for privacy these days... just give up and sign up to facebook : |
| 09:24:44 | <gromgull> | :) |
| 09:24:48 | <shellac_> | well: http://wiki.opensocial.org/index.php?title=Containers |
| 09:25:16 | <kwijibo> | ACTION wonders if zooomr is any good |
| 09:25:39 | <Pipian> | Oh, I admit I sign up to the public ones, but even so, I like being able to fully own my data. |
| 09:30:17 | <Pipian> | 'swhy I host my own e-mail instead of letting Gmail do it for my website :) |
| 09:30:17 | <Pipian> | Or at least, I'm becoming a bit more aware of wanting to own my own data. I mean, I still have a last.fm account (but then I've been involved with them since they were running at Southampton as AudioScrobbler :) ), and haven't really started using libre.fm... |
| 09:44:18 | <danbri> | re xul and rdf, mozilla has been threatening to strip out all the moz rdf stuff for years |
| 09:44:28 | <danbri> | but it's pretty deeply embedded, not sure they'll manage it |
| 09:44:38 | <danbri> | xul templates had an rdf query-like mechanism |
| 09:58:02 | <Anchakor> | danbri: why would they do that, noone understands it any more or what? :) |
| 09:58:45 | <danbri> | i'd like to do a full obituary |
| 09:59:03 | <danbri> | there were some code quality issues, plus general "it's a bit hard and everyone wants xslt"ism too |
| 09:59:30 | <Anchakor> | oh I see |
| 11:08:48 | <Pipian> | http://telegraphis.net/data/currencies/ |
| 11:09:18 | <Pipian> | C:|Linked Data currency URIs using ISO 4217 codes. |
| 11:09:21 | <Pipian> | er |
| 11:09:23 | <Pipian> | hm |
| 11:10:14 | <Pipian> | C:Crosslinks with dbpedia only for the time being, but should be nice to unambiguously refer to currencies in linked data and statistical output. |
| 11:10:42 | <melvster> | +1 Pipian, very nice |
| 11:11:21 | <Pipian> | C:Uses some custom vocabs for the time being, at least until I can find some existing ones that work better. |
| 11:12:18 | <Pipian> | I'll get around to ISO 3166-2 one of these days (next week?) Scraping Geonames for first and second-level administrative subdivisions is tricky. |
| 11:12:21 | <cygri_> | http://iws.seu.edu.cn/services/falcons/api/ |
| 11:12:36 | <cygri_> | D: Falcons API |
| 11:12:47 | <cygri_> | D:|Falcons API |
| 11:13:32 | <cygri_> | D:object search, class search, property search, get snippet, get description, get documents. All return RDF/XML. |
| 11:14:56 | <cygri_> | D:The class and property search are unique and potentially very useful |
| 11:40:30 | <kwijibo_> | ACTION wonders best way to model stating that a geo:Point is in/near a city, which is in a country |
| 11:49:05 | <Pipian> | kwijibo_: I believe the geonames ontology has subsumption at least. |
| 11:49:54 | <Pipian> | spacenamespace also had something like that, but I think the vocab isn't available these days |
| 11:53:24 | <Pipian> | kwijibo_: http://www.geonames.org/ontology#locatedIn |
| 11:53:34 | <kwijibo_> | ta Pipian |
| 11:53:56 | <Pipian> | Also: http://www.geonames.org/ontology#nearby |
| 11:54:00 | <kwijibo_> | i think foaf:based_near for the city, since i think all i know is that that's the nearest city |
| 11:54:03 | <kwijibo_> | oh |
| 11:54:07 | <kwijibo_> | that would be good also :) |
| 11:54:26 | <kwijibo_> | and then locatedIn for the city -> country |
| 11:55:07 | <Pipian> | As long as you don't mind the infererence that the subject/object is a gn:Feature |
| 11:55:29 | <Pipian> | But since a gn:Feature is rdfs:subClassOf geo:SpatialThing, that shouldn't be a big issue. |
| 11:57:15 | <tobyink> | geonames also has gn:parentFeature IIRC. |
| 12:02:42 | <Pipian> | Yes, although it implies that both the subject and object are gn:Features, where locatedIn only has such a restriction on the range. |
| 12:03:25 | <Pipian> | (nearby has bothe a domain and range of gn:Feature, so it may not be appropriate for some uses, like saying [ a foaf:Person ] gn:nearby [ a ex:Dog ] . |
| 12:05:13 | <gromgull> | there: http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#nearestAirport |
| 12:05:14 | <gromgull> | logger pointer |
| 12:12:39 | <gromgull> | logger, pointer? |
| 12:12:39 | <gromgull> | .logger, pointer? |
| 12:12:39 | <logger> | See http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-04#T13-12-38 |
| 12:13:44 | <gromgull> | sigh |
| 12:13:58 | <Pipian> | (similarly, [ a foaf:Person ] gn:locatedIn [ a ex:Car ] might not work out nicely with the full inferences, although [ a foaf:Person ] gn:locatedIn [ a ex:City ] is fine) |
| 12:13:58 | <Pipian> | (Depends on whether or not you want the gn:Feature inference...) |
| 12:14:04 | <Pipian> | As long as you like working with airports :) |
| 12:14:08 | <Pipian> | ACTION should probably poke frot.org about putting spacenamespace back up |
| 12:14:12 | <Pipian> | ACTION wonders about poking Bernard Vatant about setting up URIs for writing systems on lingvoj, too... |
| 12:15:07 | <gromgull> | goddamn awful wifi at eswc... |
| 12:23:02 | <Pipian> | Hrm |
| 12:23:02 | <Pipian> | What does it mean for data to be licensed under the AGPL? Seems rather thorny an issue. Might need to massage some other source of airport data if it would contaminate data in triple-stores? |
| 12:32:50 | <shellac> | Pipian: I don't think it would make sense to licence data under AGPL at all. |
| 12:33:21 | <Pipian> | I know, and yet I've got data that has been. |
| 12:34:46 | <shellac> | email the copyright holder? |
| 12:35:14 | <Pipian> | I suppose that is the best course of action. |
| 14:28:58 | <tobyink> | Anyone here know much about Jena? |
| 14:30:12 | <mischat> | a little |
| 14:31:00 | <tobyink> | Do you know if it's possible to use SPARQL Update with SDB? Or does SPARQL Update only work on flat files or something funny like that? |
| 14:31:08 | <tobyink> | Because I keep getting errors. |
| 14:31:28 | <mischat> | ah I dont know |
| 14:31:38 | <mischat> | i only tend to use it to interact with jxt |
| 14:31:38 | <shellac> | tobyink: try #jena and ping AndyS: |
| 14:32:08 | <tobyink> | shellac: thanks, will try there. |
| 14:34:23 | <melvster> | quick question: what rdf libraries are available in python, rdflib and ... anything else? |
| 14:34:45 | <tobyink> | Redland has python bindings IIRC. |
| 14:35:13 | <melvster> | thanks! |
| 14:37:37 | <kwijibo_> | openlink got drupal running on virtuso? |
| 14:37:45 | <kwijibo_> | *virtuoso |
| 14:39:59 | <PvK> | kwijibo_: you have question about drupal running under virtuoso? |
| 14:40:54 | <shellac> | melvster: 4suite supports rdf too |
| 14:42:19 | <kwijibo_> | PvK: yes, I just wondered how hard it was |
| 14:42:37 | <kwijibo_> | does it use SPARUL ? |
| 14:43:32 | <tobyink> | kwijibo_: I imagine it uses the relational database facilities of virtuoso - i.e. doesn't use it as a triple store. |
| 14:44:15 | <PvK> | yes, it uses relational db + RDF VIEW to map data into the semantic realm |
| 14:45:04 | <kwijibo_> | thanks PvK |
| 14:45:07 | <melvster> | oh, thanks again |
| 14:45:20 | <PvK> | no problem |
| 14:46:58 | <PvK> | kwijibo_: did you read http://ods.openlinksw.com/dataspace/dav/wiki/ODS/OdsIntegrationDrupal |
| 14:47:10 | <kwijibo_> | not yet :) |
| 14:47:12 | <kwijibo_> | ACTION reads |
| 14:53:37 | <scor> | http://www.deri.ie/fileadmin/documents/DERI-TR-2009-04-30.pdf |
| 14:54:35 | <scor> | E:| Semantic Web Publishing with Drupal |
| 14:54:45 | <scor> | kwijibo_: see also ^^ |
| 14:55:07 | <kwijibo_> | ta scor :) |
| 15:49:09 | <DanC> | action-34 due next week |
| 15:49:17 | <DanC> | wrong channel ;-) |
| 21:25:25 | <tobyink> | ping melvster |
| 21:33:36 | <melvster> | hi toby |
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