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| 04:58:29 | <mhausenblas_> | morning Web of Data |
| 04:59:18 | <PovAddict> | night Web of Data |
| 05:03:01 | <mhausenblas_> | hehe. good to be home again ;) |
| 07:19:31 | <mhausenblas_> | http://www.slideshare.net/mediasemanticweb/eswc-2009-lightning-talks |
| 07:19:49 | <mhausenblas_> | A: ESWC 2009 Lightning Talks |
| 07:20:48 | <mhausenblas_> | A: heads-up - the talks will be soon available on http://videolectures.net/ |
| 07:20:54 | <mhausenblas_> | A:| ESWC 2009 Lightning Talks |
| 07:21:29 | <mhausenblas_> | A1= collection of slide sets |
| 07:21:36 | <mhausenblas_> | A1: collection of slide sets |
| 08:41:02 | <mhausenblas_> | hu? sameas.org down? |
| 08:41:12 | <mhausenblas_> | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sameas.org says not only for me ... |
| 08:41:24 | <mhausenblas_> | hg around? |
| 08:50:34 | <hg> | yes |
| 08:51:24 | <mhausenblas_> | hey there hg |
| 08:51:39 | <mhausenblas_> | did you notice that sameas.org is down? |
| 08:51:52 | <hg> | The way of the world: You announce the new sameAs.org service, and then the entire campus has a power blackout. :-( |
| 08:52:16 | <mhausenblas_> | hehe. I certainly know what you're talking about ;) |
| 08:52:36 | <mhausenblas_> | our service unit decided to do the server update during ESWC |
| 08:52:40 | <hg> | Even http://www.soton.ac.uk/ |
| 08:53:03 | <mhausenblas_> | to be more precisely a two hour down time during the ESWC demo (!) session |
| 08:53:15 | <hg> | Now that is really annoying. |
| 08:53:22 | <mhausenblas_> | yeah, noticed that earlier as well but didn't get the connection |
| 08:54:00 | <mhausenblas_> | well, good to know that this is just the 'usual' annoyance around server/power/etc. being down |
| 08:54:03 | <mhausenblas_> | thanks anyway |
| 08:54:26 | <mhausenblas_> | awesome thing, btw |
| 08:54:46 | <hg> | Yeah, sorry. And it is now 18 hours. No email, nuttin'. Starting to get withdrawal. |
| 08:55:18 | <hg> | Many thanks. |
| 08:55:28 | <mhausenblas_> | np. awesome service. and to be absolutely self-critical on our end: this is what the OKKAM chaps should have delivered months ago ;) |
| 08:55:45 | <hg> | ;-) |
| 08:56:13 | <mhausenblas_> | so I conclude: some people discuss/think about stuff and others deliver. full stop. :D |
| 08:56:36 | <hg> | But actually, the okkam service is also another needed service. |
| 08:56:57 | <mhausenblas_> | yeah, well, true, but you know ... |
| 08:57:13 | <mhausenblas_> | anyways. ESWC was sort of fun |
| 08:57:29 | <mhausenblas_> | beside the stupidity for next year |
| 08:58:33 | <marcotanzi> | hi folks... I'm pretty new on open calais and I would ask you some tips :-) |
| 08:58:50 | <mhausenblas_> | hg, did you hear th great news already? |
| 08:58:52 | <hg> | stupidity? tell me more |
| 08:58:57 | <mhausenblas_> | (1) will be renamed to Extended SWC (what the heck ?) and 2. same location, again (why, the heck ...) |
| 08:59:17 | <mhausenblas_> | can you imagine this? |
| 08:59:29 | <hg> | Yeah, location was one reason I didn't go - also wanted to do work... :-D |
| 09:00:57 | <hg> | marcotanzi: I don't know much, but if you try some Qs someone may? |
| 09:01:42 | <hg> | mhausenblas_: Extended SWC? Huh? |
| 09:01:58 | <mhausenblas_> | marcotanzi has left again, btw |
| 09:02:04 | <hg> | Ah. |
| 09:02:09 | <mhausenblas_> | yeah, pretty weird he? |
| 09:02:28 | <mhausenblas_> | next we'll learn that ISWC stands for Integrated SWC |
| 09:02:35 | <hg> | Waroom? |
| 09:02:43 | <mhausenblas_> | (just kidding) |
| 09:02:49 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | I've started to play with Open Calais and parse text to fetch the entities |
| 09:02:52 | <hg> | You mean it doesn't? |
| 09:02:58 | <drrho> | mhausenblas: what was the rational for the renaming? |
| 09:03:05 | <drrho> | are you on the steering committee? |
| 09:03:07 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | opss.. I've changed nam :-) |
| 09:03:09 | <mhausenblas_> | no, the Extended is serious |
| 09:03:22 | <drrho> | s/rational/rationale/ |
| 09:03:25 | <mhausenblas_> | ah, so nonsonoinmatrix is marcotanzi, right? |
| 09:03:32 | <mhausenblas_> | drrho: no, I'm not |
| 09:03:57 | <drrho> | hmm. |
| 09:04:07 | <mhausenblas_> | re rationale: I guess to look smarter, opener, fresher, whatsoever |
| 09:04:15 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | Btw... I'd like to know if from the opencalasi RDF is possible get directly the link to other data like freebase or dbpedia |
| 09:04:19 | <drrho> | sheesh. :-) |
| 09:04:23 | <hg> | I don't see the need to change things when they work - I couldn't see why ESWS -> ESWC |
| 09:04:28 | <mhausenblas_> | but drrho you have been at the closing ceremony no? |
| 09:04:45 | <drrho> | no, had an intense discussion with some Ph.D. student. |
| 09:04:47 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | yes.. I prefer this nick .-) |
| 09:05:08 | <mhausenblas_> | ah, ok, drrho - Lora announced it there (the new general chair) |
| 09:05:13 | <drrho> | ACTION prefers discussions over ceremonies ;-) |
| 09:05:23 | <mhausenblas_> | hehe |
| 09:05:44 | <mhausenblas_> | ok, let's be productive - nonsonoinmatrix what's your question? ;) |
| 09:06:19 | <drrho> | Well, to quote the "Hr. Direktor": This is not the end of the story. |
| 09:07:13 | <mhausenblas_> | hm. let's see. I decided to not engage too much in The-conference-formerly-known-as-the-European-SWC stuff |
| 09:07:18 | <hg> | nonsonoinmatrix: Good question. That is exactly what sameAs.org is meant to provide for you :-) I did look at trying to get opencalais into sameAs.org, but ran out of time trying to work out how to find the URIs. |
| 09:07:46 | <mhausenblas_> | hg, got opencalias in CRS? |
| 09:07:51 | <hg> | Nope. |
| 09:07:57 | <mhausenblas_> | you should! :) |
| 09:08:11 | <drrho> | mhausenblas: Right. I managed to stay out of politics and will not engage now. |
| 09:08:25 | <mhausenblas_> | drrho++ |
| 09:08:30 | <hg> | Or at least, don't know that I have :-) But haven't got anything from that source. |
| 09:08:33 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | I have found the way to get this data... but is not directly... there are at least 3 step with lot of delay... |
| 09:09:27 | <mhausenblas_> | ACTION grabs some coffee ... BRB |
| 09:12:02 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | so far the only way I've found is: from the RDF I can go on the open calais page of the entity... from this page you can chose the disambiguated entity (like Paris in france and not Paris in the US)... from the Paris(France) page you can go to the sameAs links (freebase, dbpedia, etc) |
| 09:14:09 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | I'd like to get the sameAs link straight from the RDF |
| 09:14:20 | <hg> | So would I :-) |
| 09:14:57 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | there is no short cut to get this data? |
| 09:17:54 | <hg> | I'm sure someone else can give you a more definitive answer, but I suspect that you can if you script it. I'm lloking at their code at the moment. |
| 09:19:32 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | what you mean? create a function that call the chain of link? |
| 09:25:14 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | hg: BTW... do you know if there is some other service like open calais that do this? |
| 09:26:42 | <hg> | Ben having another look, and there is stuff around eg http://petewarden.typepad.com/searchbrowser/2008/07/try-out-opencal.html but can't get it to work. |
| 09:28:03 | <hg> | nonsonoinmatrix, you want to eg find dbpedia URIs for the opencalais URIs? |
| 09:28:57 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | hg: yes... I'd like to get the freebase... but also DBpedia it will be fine... |
| 09:29:34 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | hg: not from opencalais URLs... from the RDF generated by the web services |
| 09:30:11 | <hg> | nonsonoinmatrix, :-) I have to smile. That is exactly what our new sameAs.org service is meant to do for you, and if someone hadn't cut the mains cable to my university yesterday you would be able to go and look at it :-( |
| 09:32:55 | <hg> | But I need to get the opencalais data, or they need to publish it for us. One of the ideas of "launching" it and giving it a name was that it might now be in their business interest to do that. And we need to guardian as well. (BBC are providing data.) |
| 09:33:13 | <hg> | s/to guardian/the Guardian/ |
| 09:36:49 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | hg: this link (to freebase) is not available so far from the RDF, is it? |
| 09:40:10 | <hg> | nonsonoinmatrix, don't understand, sorry |
| 09:41:32 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | hg: Is the sameAs.org sarvice already availabe? |
| 09:42:05 | <hg> | Yes. Or rather, there's a power cut, so no. |
| 09:50:19 | <hg> | I've put an unformatted version of the about page at http://www.wrpmo.com/hugh/sameAs-about.html - sorry, but the best I can do. |
| 09:52:20 | <hg> | And a picture at http://www.wrpmo.com/hugh/sameas.tiff |
| 09:58:28 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | very interesting! bookmarked! :-) |
| 10:00:08 | <hg> | Thanks. The power has been out for 18 hours now, so I have a horrible feeling it will be longer. Hope it doesn't hit the 48 hours. I'll try to remember to report to you when it gets back. |
| 10:01:53 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | nice... let see it is gonna solve all my problem :-) |
| 10:02:37 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | I'll stay tuned! |
| 10:12:00 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | hg: do you have some end-point API? |
| 10:13:48 | <hg> | Only what is shown. |
| 10:14:00 | <hg> | Is that an API? :-) |
| 10:15:21 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | yes, indeed the are... :-) |
| 10:18:43 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | I was looking on the result you provide, I didn't see freebase... |
| 10:19:58 | <hg> | Equivalent URIs for http://dbpedia.org/resource/AC_Ace – |
| 10:19:58 | <hg> | 1.http://dbpedia.org/resource/AC_Ace |
| 10:19:58 | <hg> | 2.http://mpii.de/yago/resource/AC_Ace |
| 10:19:59 | <hg> | 3.http://rdf.freebase.com/ns/guid.9202a8c04000641f800000000021a56a |
| 10:19:59 | <hg> | 4.http://umbel.org/umbel/ne/wikipedia/AC_Ace |
| 10:22:56 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | Just to be more clear... What is the result for this API call http://sameas.org/?q=London ? |
| 10:25:30 | <hg> | It looks up the string London on Sindice, and gets back the URIs from the first page. It then looks up those URIs in its internal DB of equivalences, groups, them, adds any other, and then displays them as bundles of sameAs, each of which looks like the bundles above, with links for the rdf, N3, etc. |
| 10:36:54 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | sounds great!! |
| 10:37:20 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | so in the result is also present the freebase link! |
| 10:39:01 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | I'm looking forward to see the service online!!! |
| 10:39:22 | <hg> | So am I :-) |
| 11:37:18 | <drrho> | mhausenblas_: will you upload the lightening talks slides somewhere? |
| 11:37:46 | <drrho> | no hurry. just curious. |
| 11:51:39 | <kwijibo> | ACTION lols at http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock/244855/nordkapp-north-cape.html entry for night life: In summer there is no night, in winter there is no life. |
| 11:59:25 | <mhausenblas_> | drrho: did already :) |
| 12:00:02 | <mhausenblas_> | drrho, see http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-06.html#T08-19-29 |
| 12:01:25 | <drrho> | ahh. perfect! thx. |
| 12:14:13 | <mhausenblas_> | yw, drrho |
| 13:48:53 | <melvster> | anyone know a good resource that explains the difference between rdf:about rdf:ID and rdf:nodeID ? |
| 14:57:23 | <mhausenblas_> | melvster: something like http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/200407/swintro/syntaxdesign.html ? |
| 14:59:07 | <mhausenblas_> | as well as http://esw.w3.org/mt/esw/archives/000034.html maybe, melvster ? |
| 15:00:04 | <melvster> | mhausenblas: thanks! |
| 15:00:51 | <mhausenblas_> | yw, melvster |
| 15:01:34 | <melvster> | i want to remove all my bnodes, and then do edit in place over rdfa to produce and send sparql updates |
| 15:04:03 | <melvster> | if the browser sends the updates, then you can do authentication of the user agent, and check that the resource is writeable by that agent, using a webaccesscontrol file |
| 15:05:33 | <melvster> | in this way you can edit your own triples or permission certain groups to, just using a straight browser and html |
| 15:25:14 | <hg> | nonsonoinmatrix, looks like http://sameas.org/ is back |
| 15:27:45 | <nonsonoinmatrix> | hg: thanks... I'll try it later... now I'll be off for a while .-) |
| 15:55:59 | <mhausenblas_> | melvster: removing bnodes? should work with rdfquery |
| 15:57:11 | <mhausenblas_> | IIRC, Jeni's included something like the SPARQL's isBlank() operator |
| 15:58:54 | <mhausenblas_> | melvster: you may also wanna ping oshani, she has done stuff in Tabulator already ... |
| 15:59:26 | <mhausenblas_> | melvster: you know about http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2008/papers/11-berners-lee-hollenbach-tabulator-redux.pdf right? |
| 16:33:21 | <melvster> | mhausenblas: yes, thanks, hopefully my pages will look quite like tabulator when finished, im starting with simple jquery, but will probably switch to rdfquery |
| 21:54:59 | <mhausenblas_> | good night Web of Data |
| 21:59:19 | <PovAddict> | bai |
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