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| 01:54:21 | <kennyluck> | .whois mttlbot |
| 01:54:25 | <mttlbot> | I don't know about mttlbot right now. |
| 01:54:25 | <mttlbot> | By the way, I don't know who you are kennyluck. |
| 01:54:47 | <kennyluck> | mmtlbot, I am <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/kennyluck#I> |
| 01:55:20 | <kennyluck> | ? What happened? |
| 01:55:27 | <PovAddict> | you typo'd the bot nickname |
| 01:55:32 | <PovAddict> | that's what |
| 01:55:34 | <PovAddict> | :) |
| 01:55:38 | <kennyluck> | Ah, thanks |
| 01:55:53 | <kennyluck> | mttlbot, I am <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I> |
| 01:56:03 | <mttlbot> | I understand: <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I> foaf:holdsAccount <irc://192.168.100.27/kennyluck,isnick> . |
| 01:56:03 | <mttlbot> | Loaded <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck> with 11 triples. |
| 01:56:23 | <kennyluck> | Hmm...It's kind of weird |
| 01:56:31 | <PovAddict> | .whois kennyluck |
| 01:56:32 | <mttlbot> | I don't know about kennyluck right now. |
| 01:56:33 | <mttlbot> | By the way, I don't know who you are PovAddict. |
| 01:56:38 | <PovAddict> | huh |
| 01:56:48 | <kennyluck> | .whois kennyluck |
| 01:56:49 | <mttlbot> | I don't know about kennyluck right now. |
| 01:57:11 | <kennyluck> | .whois PovAddict |
| 01:57:12 | <mttlbot> | I don't know about PovAddict right now. |
| 01:57:15 | <PovAddict> | try .whoami |
| 01:57:20 | <kennyluck> | .whoami |
| 01:57:20 | <mttlbot> | I don't know about kennyluck right now. |
| 01:57:24 | <PovAddict> | btw, I don't yet have an URI or FOAF profile |
| 01:57:33 | <kennyluck> | Oh, you should. |
| 01:57:59 | <PovAddict> | definitely |
| 01:59:02 | <PovAddict> | what is the n3 syntax "X is Y of Z" about? |
| 01:59:22 | <kennyluck> | phenny, tell tobyink, I like your mttlbot! I wonder how I input the URI of the Tabulator? With that, I think you can ask "Tabulator developer ?" and the like. I tried to do this with my pheny but didn't have enough time |
| 01:59:22 | <phenny> | kennyluck: I'll pass that on when tobyink is around. |
| 01:59:26 | <PovAddict> | like <kennyluck#I> is doap:developer of <http://...> |
| 01:59:44 | <kennyluck> | reverse triples |
| 01:59:59 | <kennyluck> | meaning <http://...> doap:developer <kennyluck#I>. |
| 02:00:03 | <kennyluck> | PovAddict |
| 02:00:05 | <PovAddict> | cool |
| 02:00:27 | <PovAddict> | I use turtle tho :) |
| 02:01:19 | <kennyluck> | I forgot whether turtle has this feature or not. |
| 02:01:19 | <PovAddict> | the only shorthand thing I think it has is 'a' |
| 02:01:19 | <PovAddict> | for rdf:type |
| 02:01:19 | <kennyluck> | It certainly doesn't have the @keywords feature |
| 02:01:19 | <PovAddict> | but I may be wrong |
| 02:03:41 | <kennyluck> | phenny, tell danbri, when will the next version of FOAF be released. I am going to Japan soon and I would like to show some of the people that RDF is truly language independent, and FOAF is definitely the thing I want to show. (I vaguely remembered you talked about cross-country friendship in your blog or something) |
| 02:03:41 | <phenny> | kennyluck: I'll pass that on when danbri is around. |
| 02:04:28 | <PovAddict> | why, is the current version "not international enough"? |
| 02:04:43 | <kennyluck> | no enough rdfs:label for other languages. |
| 02:05:09 | <kennyluck> | Tabulator displays not URI but rdfs:label for things. |
| 02:05:57 | <kennyluck> | And I notice there are lots of FOAF translations around in the space of FOAF project. The only thing left to do is just run a single command to combine them. |
| 02:06:00 | <PovAddict> | ooh I didn't know that property |
| 02:06:25 | <PovAddict> | what do you mean with FOAF translations? |
| 02:06:43 | <PovAddict> | foaf:knows made into es-foaf:conoce? |
| 02:07:09 | <adu> | do you talk about RDF here? |
| 02:07:10 | <kennyluck> | for example in my FOAF. I say. I rdfs:label "Kenny"@en, "呂康豪"@zh-tw |
| 02:07:24 | <PovAddict> | right |
| 02:07:33 | <adu> | wow my client accepts UTF8! that was so cool! |
| 02:07:34 | <kennyluck> | PovAddict, in RDF, literals can be typed |
| 02:07:38 | <PovAddict> | can't you do that with foaf:name? |
| 02:08:09 | <kennyluck> | I mean, it should be. foaf:name rdfs:label "name"@en, "名字"@zh-tw |
| 02:08:41 | <PovAddict> | ah, rdfs:label applies to predicates? |
| 02:08:43 | <kennyluck> | A user interface depending on rdfs:label for showing random predicates would benefit from this, PovAddict |
| 02:08:52 | <adu> | "名前"@jp |
| 02:08:53 | <PovAddict> | and the current foaf predicates don't have labels in multiple languages? |
| 02:09:08 | <kennyluck> | exactly, adu. |
| 02:09:14 | <kennyluck> | No |
| 02:09:38 | <kennyluck> | well, some of the DOAP predicates have spanish tags |
| 02:09:53 | <kennyluck> | all the dbpedia uris have multilingual tags. |
| 02:10:05 | <kennyluck> | FOAF is a big miss, I think. |
| 02:10:20 | <adu> | I was wondering if the idea of encoding MathML in RDF has been brought up here? |
| 02:10:35 | <kennyluck> | not heard of. |
| 02:10:42 | <adu> | http://straymindcough.blogspot.com/2009/06/semantic-mathml.html |
| 02:13:42 | <PovAddict> | well if they need contributions... |
| 02:13:55 | <PovAddict> | foaf:Document rdfs:label "Documento"@es . |
| 02:14:06 | <PovAddict> | foaf:Organization rdfs:label "Organización"@es . |
| 02:15:45 | <adu> | "Dokumento"@eo |
| 02:16:18 | <PovAddict> | http://svn.foaf-project.org/foaftown/foaf18n/ |
| 02:16:52 | <PovAddict> | B:|Translations of FOAF term definitions |
| 02:16:54 | <PovAddict> | B:any idea who can be contacted for contributions/fixes to that? |
| 02:18:43 | <PovAddict> | hmm |
| 02:18:54 | <PovAddict> | I think I'll configure my system so that application/rdf+xml is handled by a script |
| 02:19:11 | <PovAddict> | that converts it to turtle using rapper, then shows it in gvim (for which I have n3/turtle syntax highlighting) |
| 02:19:12 | <PovAddict> | :) |
| 02:19:52 | <adu> | ACTION <3 Turtle |
| 02:38:57 | <adu> | does anyone here use Jena? |
| 02:39:18 | <PovAddict> | I think mttlbot does ;) |
| 02:39:19 | <adu> | I can't figure out how to use it |
| 02:39:45 | <adu> | I just want to process sparql queries... |
| 02:42:42 | <kasei> | adu: I don't use jena much at all, but I've used it on occasion to do sparqly things. what's the problem? |
| 03:01:32 | <adu> | kasei: is there a commandline tool to process sparql queries? |
| 03:09:45 | <snail> | adu: I'm not aware of a commandline tool. escaping the special characters would be a nightmare... |
| 03:10:18 | <adu> | just use single quotes |
| 03:10:39 | <PovAddict> | yes in Unix :) |
| 03:10:46 | <PovAddict> | Windows doesn't parse single quotes |
| 03:11:42 | <adu> | ppl should learn unix, I once talked to someone who programmed in bash for 20 years and he didn't know how "$@" worked |
| 03:12:20 | <PovAddict> | o_o |
| 03:12:27 | <PovAddict> | I don't want to maintain his code |
| 03:15:10 | <adu> | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02_05_02 |
| 03:15:33 | <PovAddict> | yes I know it |
| 03:38:14 | <kasei> | adu: I'm not familiar enough to know in general, but there's things like tdbquery if your data is in tdb. |
| 03:38:25 | <kasei> | other than that, you might check in #jena for a better answer |
| 03:39:13 | <adu> | kasei: thanks |
| 03:40:40 | <kasei> | oh, actually, arq.query might be what you want. |
| 03:41:16 | <kasei> | s/might be/is/ |
| 03:45:40 | <snail> | C| POSIX definition of $@ |
| 03:46:59 | <PovAddict> | C:| POSIX definition of $@ |
| 03:47:55 | <snail> | PovAddict:++ |
| 03:48:15 | <PovAddict> | I think I'll go to sleep before i pass out |
| 03:48:43 | <adu> | PovAddict: ooo you like PovRay? |
| 03:49:37 | <PovAddict> | yes |
| 03:49:41 | <PovAddict> | but now I do more useful things |
| 03:49:45 | <PovAddict> | than raytraced images |
| 03:49:59 | <PovAddict> | but now I'm stuck with this IRC nickname -.- |
| 03:50:30 | <adu> | :) i was once a fan of povray, but then I learned blender |
| 04:01:49 | <adu> | OMDoc++ |
| 04:05:02 | <PovAddict> | heh |
| 04:05:07 | <PovAddict> | I searched OMDoc in google |
| 04:05:16 | <PovAddict> | first hit omdoc.org |
| 04:05:21 | <PovAddict> | text extract from page: Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/omdoc.org/index.php:3) in /var/www/omdoc.org/index.php on ... |
| 04:32:18 | <adu> | ya... you have to hack your way through the trac directories to get to the documentation |
| 04:47:12 | <mhausenblas> | morning Web of Data |
| 04:53:09 | <adu_> | hi mhausenblas |
| 04:54:23 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION waves to adu_ |
| 04:54:33 | <adu_> | how are you today? |
| 04:54:49 | <mhausenblas> | not too bad, thanks, and yourself? |
| 04:56:10 | <mhausenblas> | ACTION is wondering, now, that we've fixed the ping manager (http://blog.sindice.com/2009/06/09/bring-on-them-pings/) - why can't one submit her voiD files? |
| 04:56:34 | <mhausenblas> | maybe someone external has to request it ... |
| 08:17:26 | <tobyink> | logger pointer |
| 08:17:27 | <phenny> | tobyink: 01:59Z <kennyluck> tell tobyink I like your mttlbot! I wonder how I input the URI of the Tabulator? With that, I think you can ask "Tabulator developer ?" and the like. I tried to do this with my pheny but didn't have enough time |
| 08:17:37 | <tobyink> | logger, pointer |
| 08:17:37 | <logger> | See http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T09-17-36 |
| 08:18:00 | <tobyink> | phenny, tell kennyluck see http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T09-17-36 |
| 08:18:00 | <phenny> | tobyink: I'll pass that on when kennyluck is around. |
| 08:19:17 | <tobyink> | .load <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/data> |
| 08:19:26 | <mttlbot> | Loaded <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/data> with 118 triples. |
| 08:22:15 | <tobyink> | And let's add some triples right here in IRC, not loading any external file. #mttl http://dig.csail.mit.edu/2005/ajar/ajaw/data#Tabulator is foaf:topic_interest of <@kennyluck> . |
| 08:22:17 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244622135.9527>. |
| 08:22:41 | <tobyink> | Check that this has worked... |
| 08:24:04 | <tobyink> | .sparql select ?name where { <http://dig.csail.mit.edu/People/kennyluck#I> foaf:topic_interest ?x . ?x doap:name ?name . } |
| 08:24:04 | <mttlbot> | name="The Tabulator Project" |
| 08:26:11 | <tobyink> | .load <http://people.csail.mit.edu/kennyluck/wiki/myself> |
| 08:26:35 | <tobyink> | hmm? |
| 08:27:32 | <tobyink> | Error was "Redland error: XML parser error: Document is empty". Looks like mttlbot was trying to parse N3 as RDF/XML. :-( |
| 08:32:59 | <Anchakor> | tobyink: nice work on mttlbot, clever way to make people learn a new language even if they don't want it - make an irc bot ;) |
| 08:34:02 | <tobyink> | Most of the interesting stuff is SPARQL and MicroTurtle, the latter of which is just a small variation on Turtle. (And people here should know SPARQL and Turtle.) |
| 08:35:02 | <tobyink> | phenny: tell PovAddict re http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T04-49-58 you could change your IRC nick to RecoveringAddict. |
| 08:35:02 | <phenny> | tobyink: I'll pass that on when PovAddict is around. |
| 08:42:49 | <besbes> | looks like http://pipes.deri.org:8080/pipes/ is down ... |
| 08:45:28 | <shellac> | 444444444+ |
| 08:45:28 | <shellac> | *- |
| 08:45:42 | <shellac> | arsing cat! |
| 08:56:33 | <libby> | heh |
| 09:07:57 | <tobyink> | .sub <http://prefix.cc/popular/all> |
| 09:08:28 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Subscribed to <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>. |
| 09:08:28 | <mttlbot> | Loaded <http://prefix.cc/popular/all> with 934 triples. |
| 09:09:15 | <tobyink> | .sparql select ?uri where { [] vann:preferredNamespacePrefix "doap" ; vann:preferredNamespaceUri ?uri . } |
| 09:09:15 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Parse error: PREFIX bio: <http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/> PREFIX cc: <http://creativecommons.org/ns#> PREFIX ccold: <http://web.resource.org/cc/> PREFIX ccrel: <http://creativecommons.org/ns#> PREFIX dc: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> PREFIX dc11: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> PREFIX dcterms: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> PREFIX doac: <http://ramonantonio.net/doac/0.1/#> PREFIX doap: <http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap#> |
| 09:10:17 | <tobyink> | .sparql prefix vann: <http://purl.org/vocab/vann/> select ?uri where { [] vann:preferredNamespacePrefix "doap"@en ; vann:preferredNamespaceUri ?uri . } |
| 09:10:18 | <mttlbot> | uri="http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap#" |
| 09:10:43 | <tobyink> | I think that query is a candidate for libby's sparql template idea. |
| 09:40:33 | <tobyink> | mttlbot: mttlbot is <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/#bot> |
| 09:40:35 | <mttlbot> | I understand: <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/#bot> foaf:holdsAccount <irc://192.168.100.27/mttlbot,isnick> . |
| 09:43:10 | <tobyink> | .whois mttlbot |
| 09:43:10 | <mttlbot> | mttlbot is mttlbot <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/#bot>. (mttlbot, The MicroTurtle Robot Instance) WWW: <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/>. |
| 09:43:46 | <tobyink> | oh no, it's become self-aware! |
| 09:46:18 | <melvster> | well i for one welcome our new micro turtle overlords ... |
| 09:46:33 | <Anchakor> | mttlbot: /nick skynet |
| 09:46:34 | <mttlbot> | Does not compute! |
| 10:14:55 | <melvster> | http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/bizer/toolkits/ |
| 10:15:29 | <melvster> | D: RDF toolkits, may be an old link, but hadnt seen it before ... |
| 10:19:57 | <melvster> | ah redland supports sqlite |
| 10:24:42 | <libby> | yeah though it's support is't completely perfect there |
| 10:24:52 | <libby> | *isn't |
| 11:36:06 | <tobyink> | .unsub <http://prefix.cc/popular/all> |
| 11:36:10 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Unsubscribed from <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>. |
| 11:36:10 | <mttlbot> | Dropped <http://prefix.cc/popular/all>. |
| 11:36:21 | <tobyink> | Don't really need to fetch it on an hourly basis. |
| 11:36:34 | <tobyink> | .load <http://prefix.cc/popular/all> |
| 11:37:00 | <tobyink> | Will just load it manually when it's looking a bit stale. |
| 11:37:22 | <mttlbot> | Loaded <http://prefix.cc/popular/all> with 936 triples. |
| 11:37:41 | <tobyink> | Perhaps I need to have configurable reloading times for each subscription? |
| 11:47:23 | <tuukkah> | anyone working on one these for the semantic web yet? https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/collections/ |
| 12:17:45 | <melvster> | tuukkah: i think danbri made a page of semweb ff addons, cant remember the link tho, there's tabulator, semantic radar and openlink data explorer that come to mind |
| 12:17:52 | <tobyink> | .sparql prefix vann: <http://purl.org/vocab/vann/> select ?uri where { [] vann:preferredNamespacePrefix "rdfs"@en ; vann:preferredNamespaceUri ?uri . } |
| 12:17:54 | <mttlbot> | uri="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#" |
| 12:18:46 | <melvster> | here's some: http://swik.net/RDF+Firefox |
| 12:21:07 | <melvster> | id really like to see a collaborative addon or even greasemonkey script that adds rdfa markup to normal web pages |
| 12:23:28 | <melvster> | it should be as easy as right click or hover over an element, then it calculates the xpath, and you type in a predicate or natural language description, it then goes away and merges the annotation with the global store |
| 12:24:25 | <melvster> | that way one by one all the major websites would be rdf ready and anyone running the addon would be able to see the markup out of the box |
| 12:26:23 | <melvster> | autopager does a really great job of this to remove paging on the web |
| 12:36:22 | <mhausenblas> | kidehen? |
| 12:36:57 | <mhausenblas> | the answer to your question is: http://esw.w3.org/topic/ESWEditorsGroup - see also my mail to LOD/SW lists |
| 12:55:10 | <hhalpin> | #swxg |
| 13:01:30 | <gsnedders> | hhalpin: ping |
| 13:02:21 | <mischat> | gsnedders: harry is chairing a w3c teleconf on swxg for the next hour or so |
| 13:02:31 | <gsnedders> | mischat: ah, ok |
| 13:02:37 | <kwijibo_> | melvster: what's autopager ? |
| 13:56:46 | <kidehen> | tobyink: know about any ontologies for recipes (food variety)/ |
| 13:57:47 | <tobyink> | I know of a couple. Am in SWXG telecon now, but free in a couple of mins. |
| 14:01:33 | <lbjay> | i would als be very interested in recipe ontologies |
| 14:01:38 | <lbjay> | aslo |
| 14:01:58 | <lbjay> | i saw one a while back that eikeon was working on |
| 14:02:56 | <lbjay> | ACTION sighs |
| 14:02:58 | <lbjay> | also |
| 14:05:04 | <tobyink> | OK, main recipe vocab I know of is http://donnafales.com/2002/07/28/recipe-schema# but it's not especially complete. |
| 14:05:24 | <lbjay> | tobyink: ahh, that's the one eikeon pointed me at |
| 14:05:45 | <lbjay> | needs some work |
| 14:06:12 | <tobyink> | Thomas Loertsch <http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ThomasLoertsch> is interested in creating an RDF vocab to mirror the hRecipe microformat. |
| 14:06:14 | <melvster> | any help? http://www.inesc-id.pt/ficheiros/publicacoes/3240.pdf |
| 14:06:54 | <kidehen> | melvster: what's in the PDF? |
| 14:07:06 | <melvster> | The ontology comprehends |
| 14:07:06 | <melvster> | four main modules covering the key concepts of the cooking domain – actions, |
| 14:07:06 | <melvster> | food, recipes, and utensils – and three auxiliary modules – units and measures, |
| 14:07:06 | <melvster> | equivalencies and plate types. |
| 14:07:23 | <tobyink> | #mttl http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe dc:title "hRecipe 0.21" ; dc:creator [ foaf:name "Thomas Loertsch" ] ; dc:contributor <@tobyink> . |
| 14:07:37 | <lbjay> | my gripe with the attempts to model recipe data is they seem satisfied to just model the... "text" and not the actual process |
| 14:07:40 | <kidehen> | melvster: what's holding up manifestation in RDF Schema or OWL form? |
| 14:08:40 | <melvster> | kidehen: not sure only read the abstract, could not x-reference with swoogle as it's down right now |
| 14:08:50 | <lbjay> | melvster: neat. i haven't seen that |
| 14:10:07 | <kidehen> | tobyink: http://donnafales.com/2002/07/28/recipe-schema# is interesting, and hRecipe mapping shouldn't be a big deal |
| 14:10:32 | <tobyink> | RecipeBook XML is a pretty nice format and potentially GRDDLable. |
| 14:20:11 | <lbjay> | but is it enough to just have the equivalent of <p class="instructions">? |
| 14:20:19 | <lbjay> | from hRecipe |
| 14:21:21 | <lbjay> | i mean, there's a lot of data in that "instructions" paragraphs. grouping of ingredients (dry|wet), order to combine them, etc. |
| 14:25:58 | <Anchakor> | lbjay: if you find some ontology describing similar instructions, I too would be interested... |
| 14:27:17 | <tobyink1> | Sorry, computer problems. As I was saying... |
| 14:29:25 | <lbjay> | Anchakor: will do. i'm still trying to wrap my head around how to model such things |
| 14:29:28 | <tobyink1> | #mttl http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/CompCook.html dc:title "Computerized Cooking" ; dc:creator [foaf:name "David A Mundie"] . |
| 14:29:28 | <mttlbot> | tobyink1: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink1/1244644167.1528>. |
| 14:29:28 | <mttlbot> | By the way, I don't know who you are tobyink1. |
| 14:30:01 | <tobyink1> | mttlbot, i am <http://tobyinkster.co.uk/#i> |
| 14:31:30 | <lbjay> | there is something called "Gourmet XML" |
| 14:31:40 | <lbjay> | http://grecipe-manager.sourceforge.net/#importexport |
| 14:33:07 | <tobyink> | #mttl http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/CompCook.html gist "Breaks up cooking into steps and provides a postfix notation for them." |
| 14:33:08 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244644387.5425>. |
| 14:41:53 | <tobyink> | Also re recipes Swignition is able to convert hRecipe -> donnafales.com RDF vocab -> RecipeBook XML. |
| 14:50:13 | <tobyink> | Not sure if this was stored before my computer crashed... #mttl http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe dc:title "hRecipe 0.21" ; dc:creator [ foaf:name "Thomas Loertsch" ] ; dc:contributor <@tobyink> . |
| 14:51:18 | <tobyink> | hmmm... mttlbot doesn't seem to like that. |
| 14:55:09 | <lbjay> | #mttl http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4023858&isnumber=4023845 gist "describe Dish_Master as an intelligent, adaptive, and cooperative manager for a Web-based recipe database" |
| 14:55:30 | <lbjay> | :( |
| 14:55:58 | <tobyink> | mttlbot, hello |
| 14:55:58 | <mttlbot> | Greetings from your humblest servant. |
| 14:56:01 | <lbjay> | woo! |
| 14:56:29 | <tobyink> | I don't think it's liking bnodes at the moment though. |
| 14:56:52 | <tobyink> | reporting lbjay's message... #mttl http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4023858&isnumber=4023845 gist "describe Dish_Master as an intelligent, adaptive, and cooperative manager for a Web-based recipe database" |
| 14:57:01 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244645811.4634>. |
| 14:58:19 | <lbjay> | tobyink: are those graph links supposed to return something? |
| 14:58:35 | <tobyink> | They don't yet, but you can do this... |
| 14:59:20 | <tobyink> | .sparql construct {?s ?p ?o.} where { graph <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244645811.4634> { ?s ?p ?o . } } |
| 14:59:21 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Internal Server Error [PREFIX bio: <http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/> |
| 14:59:32 | <tobyink> | .sparql construct {?s ?p ?o} where { graph <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244645811.4634> { ?s ?p ?o . } } |
| 14:59:32 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Internal Server Error [PREFIX bio: <http://purl.org/vocab/bio/0.1/> |
| 14:59:43 | <tobyink> | You see, great aren't they?! |
| 14:59:53 | <lbjay> | indeed :) |
| 15:01:06 | <tobyink> | I'm probably getting the punctuation wrong in my SPARQL or something. |
| 15:03:29 | <lbjay> | i do alot of cooking and i have a little recipe blog, so the issue of structured recipe data modeling is very interesting to me |
| 15:22:38 | <kidehen> | lbjay: so we need a Linked Data for Food that has a recipes enclave. The same space would also handle Nutritional facts etc.. |
| 15:22:56 | <lbjay> | ACTION nods |
| 15:22:57 | <kidehen> | lbjay: meant: Linked Data Space for Food :-) |
| 15:23:26 | <kidehen> | lbjay: then aforementioned space simply meshes with the broader Linked Data Cloud |
| 15:23:30 | <lbjay> | nutritional data is widely available but not in an LoD form AFAIK |
| 15:24:06 | <kidehen> | lbjay: I recall someone was trying to get the nutritional data space going, just can't remember his name etc.. |
| 15:24:29 | <kidehen> | .g nutrition |
| 15:24:29 | <phenny> | kidehen: http://www.nutrition.gov/ |
| 15:24:39 | <kidehen> | .g nutrition rdf |
| 15:24:40 | <phenny> | kidehen: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=20456 |
| 15:25:11 | <lbjay> | kidehen: maybe http://clockwerx.blogspot.com/2009/01/generating-nutritional-data-rdf-from.html |
| 15:25:24 | <kidehen> | lbjay: that's the one |
| 15:31:00 | <kidehen> | timbl: u there? Got a sec? |
| 15:32:03 | <kidehen> | phenny, tell timbl: is Linked Data Gathering at Semantic Tech Conf. (San Jose) a possibility? |
| 15:32:04 | <phenny> | kidehen: I'll pass that on when timbl is around. |
| 15:32:37 | <kidehen> | phenny, tell timbl: re. your possible attendance etc. |
| 15:32:37 | <phenny> | kidehen: I'll pass that on when timbl is around. |
| 15:33:02 | <Shepard> | can anyone on http://esw.w3.org/topic/ESWEditorsGroup add me to that list please? username is SimonReinhardt. thanks! |
| 15:33:34 | <tobyink> | Oh, me too. |
| 15:36:09 | <lbjay> | i would be happy to add a page for describing the various IRC bot semweb applications |
| 15:47:57 | <tobyink> | lbjay: Graph URIs should now work. #mttl <#graphUrisStartWorking> a event:Event ; event:agent <#me> ; rdfs:label "Graph URIs Start Working" . |
| 15:47:58 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244648877.9589>. |
| 15:52:01 | <tobyink> | Found the source of a lot of my DESCRIBE frustration too. Was using <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> as a predicate instead of <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type>. Of course, that can't be turned into a QName, so means a graph can't be serialised to RDF/XML. Turtle FTW. |
| 15:53:53 | <lbjay> | tobyink: nice |
| 15:55:04 | <tobyink> | can do e.g. http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graph.cgi?uri=http://tobyinkster.co.uk/ to see what mttlbot knows about any graph that it's loaded. |
| 15:55:10 | <tobyink> | .graphs |
| 15:55:11 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: see <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/saved/5b2ecc47667a872857899921822975f0c9d803e3>. |
| 15:55:25 | <tobyink> | is the list of all graphs that mttlbot knows about. |
| 15:57:05 | <lbjay> | tobyink: is mttlbot.pl in a public svn repo somewhere? |
| 15:57:57 | <tobyink> | there's a repository browse thing here - http://goddamn.co.uk/viewvc/microturtle/trunk/bot/ |
| 15:58:19 | <lbjay> | tobyink: yeah that's what i'm looking at |
| 15:58:24 | <tobyink> | but I still need to open up whatever port svn uses on my firewall for direct access. |
| 15:58:54 | <lbjay> | tobyink: i guess i could copy it from there |
| 15:59:19 | <tobyink> | port 3690 apparently. give me a moment. |
| 16:03:22 | <tobyink> | This ought to do the trick - svn co svn://goddamn.co.uk/microturtle/ |
| 16:03:22 | <tobyink> | Let me know if you want commit access. |
| 16:03:25 | <tobyink> | Perl modules that aren't bundled are on CPAN. |
| 16:03:48 | <PovAddict> | yes, that works |
| 16:03:48 | <phenny> | PovAddict: 08:35Z <tobyink> tell PovAddict re http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2009-06-10#T04-49-58 you could change your IRC nick to RecoveringAddict. |
| 16:04:12 | <lbjay> | tobyink: got it. awesome. |
| 16:04:13 | <PovAddict> | heh |
| 16:04:32 | <PovAddict> | it's two problems actually |
| 16:05:00 | <PovAddict> | not only picking a new nick, but also the problem of many people already knowing me by this nickname |
| 16:05:35 | <lbjay> | tobyink: i may try to run one over in #code4lib. i probably don't have time to really hack on it, but we'll see... |
| 16:05:56 | <LeeF> | i'm guessing this is a longshot, but are there any RDF/XML experts hanging around? |
| 16:06:15 | <tobyink> | How expert? |
| 16:06:36 | <LeeF> | enough to tell me whether a property-and-node element can have property attributes |
| 16:06:44 | <LeeF> | since the spec seems to say "yes" in one sentence and then "no" in the next |
| 16:06:55 | <LeeF> | (i.e. a parseType="Resource" element) |
| 16:07:10 | <tobyink> | Ah. Interesting. |
| 16:07:23 | <LeeF> | . http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/#section-Syntax-parsetype-resource being the relevant section |
| 16:07:40 | <tobyink> | I wonder the same thing about <dc:creator foaf:name="Toby Inkster" rdf:resource="http://tobyinkster.co.uk/#i" /> |
| 16:07:56 | <LeeF> | ah yeah, similar thing there, though i haven't read the spec about that one :) |
| 16:08:00 | <tobyink> | Each attribute is OK on its own, but in combination? |
| 16:08:27 | <LeeF> | """ |
| 16:08:33 | <LeeF> | The omission is done by putting an rdf:parseType="Resource" attribute on the containing property element that turns the property element into a property-and-node element, which can itself have both property elements and property attributes. Property attributes and the rdf:nodeID attribute are not permitted on property-and-node elements. |
| 16:08:34 | <LeeF> | """ |
| 16:08:45 | <LeeF> | The first sentence pretty clearly says "yes, go ahead" and the second very clearly says "no, don't" |
| 16:10:00 | <tobyink> | LeeF: that is terrible! section 7 may clarify. |
| 16:10:21 | <PovAddict> | time to go spec-fixing? |
| 16:10:35 | <tobyink> | PovAddict, lbjay: the RDF::MicroTurtle lib will be updated in the next half hour or so, so you may wish to svn update then. |
| 16:10:54 | <PovAddict> | I know no Perl |
| 16:11:14 | <LeeF> | ACTION wanders off to section 7 |
| 16:11:22 | <PovAddict> | I was just helping by checking if you had opened the port correctly :) |
| 16:11:51 | <LeeF> | oh geez, i can't read this |
| 16:12:19 | <LeeF> | actually i sort of can |
| 16:12:23 | <LeeF> | i think the grammar says it's not allowed |
| 16:13:36 | <tobyink> | That's my reading of it too. Maybe dajobe knows? |
| 16:26:44 | <lbjay> | mttlbot: about |
| 16:26:45 | <mttlbot> | The MicroTurtle Robot 0.1.1 |
| 16:26:45 | <mttlbot> | Jena 2.6.0, SDB 1.3.0 RC3, Joseki 3.4.0 |
| 16:26:45 | <mttlbot> | RDF::Redland 1.0.5.4, Redland 1.0.9, Raptor 1.4.18 |
| 16:26:45 | <mttlbot> | RDF::RDFa::Parser 0.11 |
| 16:26:45 | <mttlbot> | POE::Component::IRC 6.08 |
| 16:26:47 | <mttlbot> | Perl v5.10.0 |
| 16:26:49 | <mttlbot> | Linux ophelia2.g5n.co.uk 2.6.24.7-server-2mnb #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 14:50:37 EDT 2008 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz GNU/Linux |
| 16:27:01 | <lbjay> | oops |
| 16:27:29 | <dngor> | mttlbot: left, forward 20 |
| 16:27:31 | <mttlbot> | Does not compute! |
| 16:30:50 | <tobyink> | I've made angle brackets around IRC nick shortcuts optional in MicroTurtle provided that the IRC nick is alphanumeric-plus-hyphens. e.g. #mttl <#me> foaf:knows @bblfish, @csarven, @mattl |
| 16:30:51 | <mttlbot> | tobyink: Graph saved as <http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/mttlbot/graphs/irc/swig/tobyink/1244651449.9196>. |
| 16:33:15 | <tobyink> | That's mostly useful for using MicroTurtle on microblogs rather than IRC. |
| 16:37:34 | <lbjay> | @sing tullycraft : skyway |
| 16:37:49 | <lbjay> | bah. i suck |
| 16:46:49 | <dajobe> | the quote above from rdf/xml is ambiguous, I thought it was commented on in eratta. |
| 16:47:22 | <kidehen> | http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/San-Jose-Semantic-Web-Meetup/#this |
| 16:47:38 | <kidehen> | F: Generic Meetup for Linked Data enthusiasts |
| 16:48:35 | <kidehen> | F: Next meetup is San Jose (Wednesday the 17th) somewhere in the Fairmont (or elsewhere in the area) |
| 16:48:52 | <kidehen> | .load http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/San-Jose-Semantic-Web-Meetup/#this |
| 16:50:05 | <mischat> | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jun/10/berners-lee-downing-street-web-open |
| 16:50:22 | <mischat> | G: TBL to help open up UK gov data |
| 16:50:24 | <SifuMoraga> | It's annoying that the Meetup of Meetups in SJ is listed on so many different Meetups but there is no unifying view... |
| 16:50:38 | <SifuMoraga> | Unless you use Marco's RDF Meetup aggregator |
| 16:50:55 | <SifuMoraga> | But Meetup.com should have provided this. |
| 16:58:14 | <kidehen> | http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/linkeddata/#this |
| 16:58:30 | <kidehen> | H: Changed mind re. URI already. This is the new Meetup URI |
| 16:59:05 | <kidehen> | .load http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/linkeddata/#this |
| 17:00:12 | <kidehen> | H: <http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/linkeddata/#this> owl:sameAs <http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/rdf/http/www.meetup.com/San-Jose-Semantic-Web-Meetup/#this> (at least for now). |
| 17:14:43 | <mhausenblas> | kidehen around? |
| 17:14:53 | <kidehen> | partially |
| 17:15:03 | <mhausenblas> | just a quick q. dya know why http://community.linkeddata.org is down? |
| 17:15:19 | <mhausenblas> | I'd need to grab some of the content to transfer it to linkeddata.org |
| 17:15:22 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: ah! need to chat about that |
| 17:15:28 | <mhausenblas> | right |
| 17:15:48 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: I want to move to a newer version of Virtuoso and ODS, but this means a new AMI and ipaddress |
| 17:15:57 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: is the Wiki part still being used? |
| 17:16:26 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: the new edition will have foaf+ssl etc.. |
| 17:16:38 | <mhausenblas> | so, no, not really |
| 17:16:47 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: I assume the Wiki part isn't used anymore, right? |
| 17:16:50 | <mhausenblas> | that is there are only some bits there to be rescued |
| 17:16:53 | <mhausenblas> | yep |
| 17:17:03 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: so I can move the system over and not worry about MediaWiki headaches |
| 17:17:10 | <mhausenblas> | yep |
| 17:17:21 | <mhausenblas> | but please make sure that we have a dump of the pages |
| 17:17:31 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: i'll have a new AMI up in few minutes |
| 17:17:34 | <mhausenblas> | I need to wade through it and transfer to linkeddata.org |
| 17:17:36 | <mhausenblas> | coll |
| 17:17:37 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: I have backups |
| 17:17:40 | <mhausenblas> | s/coll/cool |
| 17:17:54 | <mhausenblas> | very well. were do I get them from? :) |
| 17:50:57 | <kidehen> | mhausenblas: when I get the new AMI online |
| 17:51:10 | <kidehen> | http://welcomebackstage.com/2009/06/bbc-backstage-sparql-endpoint/ |
| 17:51:12 | <csarven> | Anyone from Den Haag / Netherlands? :) |
| 17:51:30 | <kidehen> | I: BBC unveil full blown Linked Data Space |
| 19:08:38 | <mhausenblas> | good nite Web of Data |
| 19:30:41 | <PovAddict> | how do I search for wikipedia/dbpedia pages in both Category:Luxury_brands and Category:Mobile_phone_companies, to find luxury mobile phone companies? |
| 19:37:40 | <snail> | PovAddict: using sparql? |
| 19:40:13 | <PovAddict> | or *anything* |
| 19:40:13 | <PovAddict> | I'm not looking for a sparql endpoint to wikipedia; I'm looking for luxury mobile phones (out of curiosity), any tool that gets me the info will do :) |
| 19:44:46 | <MacTed> | PovAddict - you might start with the simple ... http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl%3Awikipedia+"Luxury+brands"+"Mobile+phone+companies" |
| 19:45:14 | <PovAddict> | hmph :) |
| 20:17:17 | <LeeF> | MacTed++ |
| 20:21:29 | <MacTed> | .karma MacTed |
| 20:21:40 | <MacTed> | hmph |
| 21:22:56 | <Shepard> | hmm I wish there was a function like langMatches in SPARQL that works like conneg, choosing the best label according to the user's language preferences (with q values) |
| 21:23:45 | <Shepard> | or does it already do that? |
| 21:50:56 | <melvster> | quite a big day for linked data, both uk gov and bbc both seem to have made large strides forward |
| 21:51:37 | <PovAddict> | melvster++ |
| 21:51:39 | <PovAddict> | well |
| 21:51:45 | <PovAddict> | ukgov++; bbc++; :) |
| 22:01:22 | <Anchakor> | http://www.mkbergman.com/?p=492 |
| 22:01:38 | <Anchakor> | J:Ontology Best Practices for Data-driven Applications: Part 3 |
| 22:02:15 | <Anchakor> | J: nice article |
| 22:03:11 | <Anchakor> | J|:Ontology Best Practices for Data-driven Applications: Part 3 |
| 22:03:37 | <Anchakor> | J:|Ontology Best Practices for Data-driven Applications: Part 3 |
| 22:03:47 | <Anchakor> | J1:"" |
| 22:03:52 | <Anchakor> | J |
| 22:04:04 | <Anchakor> | J: |
| 22:24:10 | <yvesr> | http://welcomebackstage.com/2009/06/bbc-backstage-sparql-endpoint/ |
| 22:24:19 | <yvesr> | K:| BBC SPARQL end-points |
| 22:24:45 | <yvesr> | K: Hold /music & /programmes data |
| 22:25:01 | <yvesr> | K: Hosted by Talis & OpenLink |
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